Netzah said:"The best kind of lie is the one that is laced with elements of truth."

Here are some examples of just that: Monotarianism (Oneness-ism), Binitarianism, Mormonism and quasi-Mormonism.

Constantine's wrongs doen't make the abovementioned isms right.

Having been immersed in both evangelical Protestantism and Messianism I am finding pretty big dollops of error in both. It is easy to make Constantine a scapegoat but in truth he is no less wicked than those in the Messianic camp who turn YHWH-Elohim into a series of emanations emerging from the Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur, all of which ultimately reduce our Heavenly Father into a kind of infinite, Buddhic slosh with all the occultic implications of these outward physical manifestations just being 'maya' or illusion. Little wonder that so many Messianics are reincarnationists and disavow a literal physical resurrection because to them the physical world is either impermanent or illusion. And Yah'shua? He just gets slotted into Tipheret as a sort of "ultra-self" ("realising the Christ within you") and, ultimately, Adam Kadmon's solar plexus and exaltation of man as god. But then the "wonder" of the kabbalah is that you can slot any old Messiah into it, which is why it is happily used by satanists, devil-worshippers, non-Messianic Jews, Free Masons, New Age Christians and the likes of Madonna.

My point being (and I don't want to get off into kabbalah here) is that Messianic Judaism and Israelitism is strongly laced with the original mysticism of the Babylonian Religion as Catholicism is - they're two sides of the same dark coin. And the only way to expose and break that darkness is, I firmly content, the truth of what we call the Echad Doctrine, because it once and for all smashes the neo-Taosim of balances between male and female, good and evil, in both Catholic Trinitarianism and Jewish Kabbalism. How does the Echad Doctrine do that? It shows that YHWH does not need such 'balances', that He is supremely at the head, as Cosmic Patriarch, of His Elohim Family of a subordinate Son and subordinate 7fold Mother(s). He doesn't deal in occultic equilibria - He's constantly creating, which is why haSatan hates this truth because he can't create a thing ... but he sure knows how to maintain the illusion of ballances so that he is viewed as a necessary part of the whole.

Constantine was a tool of haSatan big time, but then so were the Jewish kabbalists who invented a system to replace the Messiah they rejected. Messianism, as it is today, will fail, just like orthodox Christianity will, until it is purged of its occultic pets which survive only because they have the 'Jewish imprimatur' on them which by default makes them (in the minds of those who love all things Hebrew) as automatically kosher. We must not forget that Hebrew is also beloved of occultists and that the modern Hebrew script was specifically designed to house occultic secrets - the true Hebrew is the earlier paleo form (there Lew White has it right). Evidence? Well, it's a big subject, but note how kabbalists stack the letters of the tetragrammaton on top of one another (Yod Hé Waw Hé) to form the shape of a man - Adam Kadmon. Because that's what kabbalism is ultimately about: man-worship (666).

So I believe passionately that the litmus test of truth must be the Godhead doctrine that is being taught. From this spring all the other basic teachings of religious systems.

Christianity or Messianism? Neither - the truth lies somewhere between.

that was fantastic, Lev. Can i quote you on an upcoming chapter?

Feel free, brother.

Yaacov said:

that was fantastic, Lev. Can i quote you on an upcoming chapter?

Shalom Netzah

It's avoiding generalisations that I most definitely strive to do, which was the original spirit of this thread - i.e. not to go flushing everything 'Christian' down the drain because of a few papists and pagans like Constantine. However, I expect those who arrogantly judge Christianity with a broad brush to be prepared to receive similar judgments in return, 'Messianic' or otherwise. Hiding under a label gives no one a monopoly of truth. Some pretty harsh things have been said in another network today, under a claimed prophetic anointing, against those of us who reject monism. Those of us who do not believe echad to be an absolute unity (on excellent scholarly grounds, moreover) are not brain-dead morons and will not be dismissed on a claimed prophetic judgment simply because we, in good conscience, won't be bludgeoned into submitting to their claimed authority. I have had my fill of people claiming to be prophets to last me a lifetime and then hiding under a smokescreen called "love". There's usually a mailed fist under such screens.

I am not a Trinitarian and I recognise its origins in Babylonian paganism. But so is absolute monism. Together they're a kind of perverse echad.

I hope I am a serious student. I studied the Dead Sea Scrolls under Professor Geza Vermes at Oxford, a Jewish scholar who translated them and remain a serious student to this day - so I need little admonition to be studious. Neither was I making a blanket condemnation of anything - I was summarising years of study in kabbalah, not to mention spiritual experiences. I have been weighing and evaluating theological and linguistic evidence for over 30 years. I will happily change direction if I am shown to be wrong (and have changed a lot in three decades) but I will not be bullied by little prophet-men.

Having said that, I count all my studies as nothing compared to the revelation I received of Messiah Yah'shua on 30 March 1977 when I let Him into my heart and was baptised in the Ruach haQodesh. He is my everything.

Everyone is welcome here, no matter where they are, but I am not going to walk on egg-shells or pander to any group of people who think they have a monoply on truth by virtue of their birth, membership in an organisation, claims to be 'loving', or a list of secular qualifications after their name.

Am I passionate about my beliefs? Definitely. And I'll stick by what I believe to be true. I embrace everyone who treats me as an equal, and treat everyone else as an equal do, but I will not have anyone presumptuously lord it over me. The gurus know where the door is. I will follow anyone who speaks truth and leads by the attractive power of agapé love.

Grace and peace.

Actually when I read your previous posts, I thought you sounded upset, lol. I can accept that we don't all see eye to eye on some issues, but really our common denominator is Yah'shua. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, and without Him we would all be lost in darkness, as we all once were.

I am not saying this to "you", that was meant in general. I love you to pieces and I am thrilled that you are here with us, bottom line.



Netzah said:

Shalom Lev,

I think maybe you are a little on edge....I wasn't admonishing you or anyone else concerning their study habits! I was simply coining a phrase spoken by Hillel:

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and study it."

Maybe you are in a mood today.... or maybe this isn't the best place for me to quote Hillel...!


"...but I will not be bullied by little prophet-men."

That's a pretty aggressive statement. I would've thought you above it, especially after what we just witnessed with the polygamy/monogamy issue. Et tu, Brute?

There is a time to get righteously angry.
When, after reasoning with from Scripture, an individual continues to ignore the points from Scripture; continues to insist upon that which is contrary to Scripture; condemns those who believe what Scripture says; implies that those who take Scripture at its word are s.a.tanists, and most importantly, continues to deny/ingnore the existance of the Ruach HaQodesh (of whom blasphemy against is unforgiveable)-- yes then that is the time.

Those who know me know that I rarely, if ever, get angry in discussions because I believe there is plenty of room in which we can disgree in love and mutual respect over non-essentials. However, some pretty strong accusations have been made, including that those who don't tow the monist line are somehow seeking to become deity (gods) when we absolutely are not, never have been, and never will. That is totally unacceptable.

So I agree with Yaacov, there's a line which, when crossed, rightly provokes anger. And I don't buy into the Buddhistic crap that any kind of anger is evil, negative or anti-social. We should certainly tread with great care before we do allow ourselves to express our moral indignation with that emotion but I in no way see Scripture as imposing a complete ban. Quite the opposite. Because ultimately monism reveales itself to be pantheism, haSatan's #1 doctrine in all false religion which, ironically, not only promotes an absolute oneness concept but can also happily accommodate polytheism in its own perverse 'echad' sort of way - which is what I essentially see kabbalism as: a disguised form of polytheism, since you can "manifest" whatever you like out of the absolute unity and put your gods in the sephiroth of your choice.

The god of kabbalism is Metatron (" Metatron appears primarily in medieval Jewish mystical texts and other post-scriptural esoteric and occult sources" - Wiki)which balances on the male side the "hosts of YHWH" and on the female side the "hosts of Elohim". The former are manifestations and ultimately personifications of good (Zadkiel) and evil (Samael), respectively. The "Messiah" (or one of them in this endlessly mutating and accommodating occultic system) then becomes the angel Michael (at Tipheret). They have endless universes in which the Supreme Deity of one (at Kether) transforms into the Malkhut of another. In this overlapping of mumbo-jumbo universes good and evil are all mixed together into an amorphous grey in which haSatan is secretly made to be the redeeming Messiah and supreme Elohim all at the same time.

In monism Man and Elohim become indistinguishable - it's just another mask for Pantheism - the ultimate blasphemy. So, yes, it enrages me because it is so filthy and an affront to the true Abba YHWH-Elohim.

Dale, you have just condemned yourself by your own words.