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    Archive Section III


    of the Mormon Church Seen by a Mormon in 1977

    The following vision occured in 1977, in my first year as a member of the Mormon Church in Oxford, England. I was at that time a fresh convert and entertained no doubts whatsoever as to the authenticity of the claims of the Mormon Church, and thus the vision which I now relate came to me as a great surprise.

    The First Vision

    I was taken away in the Spirit to a large building the size of one of those majestic cathedrals that characterise the great cities of Europe. In outward appearance the building appeared like a giant version of a typical LDS chapel and I was given to understand that what I was seeing was a representation of the whole Utah Mormon Church.

    The messenger, whose presence I felt but whom I could not see, accompanied me throughout this vision and took me into the building itself. We passed bodily through the walls and I found myself looking upon a scene that caught my breath. Before me were thousands upon thousands of people milling around a long rectangular room filled with pews all facing in a southerly direction.

    The noise emmanating from this great crowd was quite unbearable and I at once thought of Babel. For people were talking loudly to each other, some shouting, and some physically attacking one another. The scene was of utter chaos. As I looked at specific people I could see some smoking, others drinking alcohol, and many were swearing in the vilest of language. In some I could see the spirit of adultery and lasciviousness. Indeed, there seemed to be represented in this people all manner of sin and evil.

    I then noticed a low brick wall, about three feet high, which divided this unholy throng from another portion of the building, and that it ran from north to south. I found myself standing back in the Spirit and became aware that in area this room occupied a full 50% of the whole of the building. As I looked upon this rabble in amazement and disbelief I heard the voice of the Lord saying very clearly to me, "THIS IS THE TELESTIAL PORTION OF THE [MORMON] CHURCH." (In the Mormon system, "telestial" means the lowest degree of glory. When referring to the earth and its inhabitants, it refers to those who are unbelievers and the unsaved).

    I was then taken across the low dividing wall into another portion of the building to a room about the same size as the one I had just left behind but marginally smaller, perhaps occupying some 45-48% of the whole. Here my eyes were greeted by a quite different scene. Row upon row of neatly dressed and respectable people were sitting in pews facing in a northerly direction and apparently listening to a talk or sermon, though I could not at this moment see the person to whom they were giving their attention as I was standing a few yards in front of the podium and to one side, looking at the congregation in front of me at a slight angle.

    I saw fathers, mothers and children in their best Sunday clothes sitting in a quiet, orderly, and reverent manner as was expected of good Latter-day Saints and in perfect reflection of the image usually portrayed to the world in literature and through other media. A feeling of satisfaction came over me and I at once began to feel at home. "Ah!" I thought to myself, "THESE are the Lord's people."

    Immediately this thought had come to my mind the voice of the Lord came again, saying, "NOT SO, MY SON, THIS IS THE TERRESTRIAL PORTION OF THE [MORMON] CHURCH." (In the Mormon system, "terrestrial" is the second degree of glory. When referring to the earth and its inhabitants, it refers to those who are honourable but who are tricked by the craftiness of Satan. They are therefore those with wrong belief).

    I immediately turned around to where I thought the voice had come from and there at the podium, to my amazement and great shock, I saw a minister from the Lutheran Church delivering a sermon to the saints whilst fully bedecked in a long flowing cassock and wearing the traditional white ruffle around his neck.

    I could not believe my eyes nor understand why a minister of a supposedly "apostate" church (from the Mormon point-of-view) was addressing what I supposed was a congregation of the "one and only true church". At the time I assumed that that this man was a symbol of the spirit of priestcraft and apostacy that had by some means (unknown to me then) seized the Mormon Church, a priestcraft and apostacy that the saints were either indifferent or blind to. I have since understood this to be a symbolic usage indicating that the very apostacy the Mormons supposed the Lutherans to be gripped by, they were gripped by themselves.

    To the side of the podium and stand I spotted a curtain which I perceived was concealing a small door. I at once found myself being drawn away from this typical Mormon scene and towards this door which I passed through bodily as I had done earlier through the masonry of the building from the outside. I found myself standing in a small room no larger in area than 2-3% of the giant building.

    Inside the little room were several people wandering around in a state of mild confusion as though blindfolded. They were all trying to sing a hymn but could not do so in harmony because no-one seemed to be aware of anyone else and all were trying to sing different hymns simultaneously. It was not especially noisy for there was a gentle spirit among these people.

    Quite suddenly there was the sound as of wind rushing through the room and those people who had seemingly been totally unaware of each other up until then, saw one another for the first time. Every man and woman turned to face in an easterly direction and immediately began to sing the most beautiful hymn of praise and adoration that I had ever heard. I was filled with unspeakable joy and an overwhelming peace. And the voice of the Lord came to me for the third, and last, time, saying, "THIS IS THE CELESTIAL PORTION OF THE [MORMON] CHURCH. THESE ARE THEY WHO ARE REDEEMED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB." (In the Mormon sysetem, the Celestial is the highest degree of glory, where the Mormon "gods" dwell. When referring to the earth and its inhabitants, it usually refers to those who are true and faithful to the Mormon Church. But here I was shown that those who were truly saved in the blood of Christ were not those of the Mormon system, which was represented by the "terrestrial" group, but those outside the system who were seeking after Christ and the Holy Spirit apart from from the system.)

    Thus I was shown in this vision those who were saved in the Mormon Church and those who were not. Bearing in mind that there are over 10 million Mormons world-wide, this means that (based on this statistic, which by now is probably out-of-date) 5 million of them are complete and utter pagans simply living an outward form of religion, and just under 5 million sincerely believe in and live by a false religious system which brings no salvation. The remainder, some 200,000 to 300,000 Latter-day Saints who, while members of the Mormon organisation, have met the living Christ in some way and are desperately seeking for a spiritual endowment. It is this remnant of the LDS system whom I believe will come out of Mormonism and be baptised in the Holy Spirit and fire. It is principally these whom New Covenant Christians are seeking.

    The Second Vision

    The vision closed as suddenly as it had opened and a second one opened to view. This time I was standing outside a normal size LDS chapel. I walked through the glass doors and into the lobby. Laughter and conversation was coming from one of the rooms into which I walked. There in front of me I saw about a dozen long tables prepared with food fit for a king. The saints, most of whom I knew from my local congregation in Oxford, were sitting around these tables happily chattering and laughing. All seemed to be the model of normality and good cheer.

    I was then struck by the fact that nobody had eaten any of the food. "Why haven't you eaten anything?" I asked them in surprise. "Look, the Lord has provided you with a banquet. Feast on His Word!" Blank faces looked up at me as though I were mad and then resumed their conversation as before. My heart was filled with great pain for I realised that the saints were not partaking of the gifts the Lord had prepared for them. Knowing that they would not listen to me, I departeed from their midst heavy of heart.

    From the corridor or lobby which I had re-entered I heard a commotion coming from somewhere above me. I climbed the stairs to investigate the disturbance and entered a room where I found two church leaders exchanging angry words whilst several others watched on. The anger at length gave way to physical violence as the two men exchanged blows. The onlookers, instead of trying to intervene to restore peace, egged the contestants on. A frenzy seemed to grip all those in the room and it became evident that they were spoiling for blood. Amongst those who ought to have brought the commotion to an end were bishops, a stake president and even some LDS apostles, whom I recognised from the photographs I had previously seen in church magazines.

    At length all present were drawn into the fracas until the scene degenerated into a riot and blood was spilled. Unable to watch this horrible picture any more, I turned and left feeling quite ill and departed from the building. The second vision then closed.

    I pondered this vision for many weeks afterwards and shared it with one or two whom I was close to in the church. I was, as a said, a newly baptised member and had no cause to think anything but good about the spiritual family I had so eagerly embraced. I knew also that this vision was from God and that I could not deny it. It was only after several months of membership in this religious organisation that I began to see the fruits of apostacy portrayed so vividly in the two visions which was to eventually lead me into spiritual confrontation with the church culminating in my expulsion for my unwillingness to sustain the apostacy the Lord had symbollically portrayed in vision to me.

    As time wore on I came to understand that the 2-3% of the saints in that small room represented those who belonged to the heavenly Church of the Firstborn which had not, at that time, been restored in its outward manifestation upon the earth. These celestial saints were unorganised and for the most part unaware of each other. They are those who belong to spiritual Israel whom the Lord is now gathering out into this New Covenant, even the New Covenant Church of God.

    May the Lord bless those of spiritual Israel, even those who are saved in the Restoration churches, with the spirit of revelation, for He is calling them from their mother churches and into the pure and undefiled Bride of Christ which is the promise made to those who will embrace the New and Everlasting Covenant in its fullness, and not the man-made system that exists today.

    This testimony is given first and foremost to those of the Mormon Church who belong to New Israel but also to those of the same family scattered in other Restoration bodies such as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    I share this vision with our LDS readers here as it is not published in our book of revelations, the Olive Branch. May glory, honour, power and might be ascribed to our God, for He is full of mercy, justice, grace, truth and peace, for ever and ever. Amen.

    This page was created on 26 December 1997
    Updated on 9 March 2001

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