The following is a Bulletin Board discussion. The Mormon investigator is commenting in italics on a position made by Clair Gregory in bold font which is then being answered again in ordinary typeface by Bridget Jeffries. Clare Gregory and Bridget Jeffries are members of the New Covenant Church of God in the USA.
Mormonism is not about Jesus Christ and being saved by him. It is about religion
This certainly is not what I get from conversing with my Mormon friends. They do profess a need to be saved and accept Jesus Christ as their savior.
Perhaps our personal experiences are different, but I have found that my Mormon friends are not the best place to go for Mormon doctrine. They act like perfectly normal teenagers (whatever that is). Mormonism, on the other hand, revolves around the Priesthood quite a bit. It's their claim to fame; without the Priesthood authority, they're just another denomination.
It's about "doctrine". It's about "theology". It's about "knowledge".
Didn't Christ say Eternal life was to know the true God? Didn't Christ refer to his doctrine alot?
Actually, knowing God is a little bit different from having knowledge. Of course we're supposed to know God; but we know God because He is Love. We know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are because he who loves is a child of God. There are many, many passages in John's epistles in support of these concepts. John also teaches:
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to His commands. As you have heard from the beginning, His command is that you walk in love. ~ 2 John 1:6
They go together. You obey God because you love Him and you show your love through obedience. You can't have one without the other.
I hope this is not what the NCCG is promoting when it launches againt the LDS belief in obeying God to gain knowledge.
Clair Gregory wasn't speaking out against knowing God at all.
All human beings want the LDS Church message to
You seem to be setting up the false situation where Mormonism is of Satan "because everyone wants it to be true", but we all know that Mormonism is rejected by almost everyone who encounters it.
But many who reject it don't truly reject Mormonism itself, but the counterfeit version of it fed to them through anti-Mormon literature. The LDS message has something that appeals to everyone; some of it is just too personal for people to admit. The strong fellowship and family ties appeal to me because I have spent the past six and a half years drifting from church to church, denomination to denomination, and I do not get along well with my family. If there was a religion that offered a solution to the problems with my family, it would be Mormonism.
This woman read the "Book of Mormon" and by gaining a testimony of that book, swallowed all the rest of the message about "priesthood authority" that she was looking for.
Aren't you being overly presumptuous? I can't think of anyone who NEEDS to believe ina priesthood. Why on earth would they? If anything, it is probably a negative side in anyone wanting to join Mormonism or Catholicism. Who wants to be dictated by a priesthood heirarchy? I believe Juni once said that she WANTED to believe in Mormonism. Is this where you are getting your conclusions? If so, why didn't she join? Can you really sit there and dismiss the millions of testimonies from Mormons as being "Nephilim" led? You do not understand the level of arrogance that you are demonstrating on this forum.
Clair is trying to explain this: the Book of Mormon is, in essence, bait. The NCCG holds that it is almost entirely theologically accurate, and that a person can even be led to Christ through it. So people read it, the Spirit does indeed testify to them the truth that is in it, and they accept the rest of the LDS message, priesthood, D&C, prophet, and all.
I did want to join the LDS church. In many ways, I still do. It has a lot to offer me. For example, my little brother and sister have taken a healthy interest in religion, and I am overjoyed to have them wanting to serve Christ at such a young age. Unfortunately, neither of my parents are really Christians, so I'm responsible for their spiritual guidance. They want to get baptized, want to be involved in fellowship, and I don't want them to get caught up in a church which they won't like. We are still relatively new to the area we live in and I have yet to find a church that is suitable to me, much less them. The only church that I am (for the most part) comfortable with is the LDS Church. If I joined the church, things could work out beautifully. The Pratts would no doubt help take the place of my parents in teaching my little brother and sister. Guiding my siblings would be much easier with someone nearby to help me.
But it won't happen.
I did not join the church for many reasons. One of them was that after months of earnest prayer, I still did not receive any testimony of the Church's truthfulness. This has been brushed off by the members of this board as the result of my own pride, or the result of it not being God's time. Like anyone, I have my struggles with pride, but this was something I desperately, sincerely needed to know. And I can see no logical reason for investigating and praying about any religion for years waiting for God to testify its truthfulness to me.
The NCCG has those prophetic gifts today...and the LDS Church? Well, when was the last time anyone received a first person revelation--thus saith the Lord--from the LDS prophets?
Apparently you have not learned much in humility.
Clair has admitted that humility is not his strong point. Many people struggle with it, including myself.
Are you really telling us that your new organization has all the prophetic abilities that once existed in the Mormon Chruch? So what prophecies has you provided?
They never existed in the Mormon Church the way it claims it has. For a church whose main claim to fame is the priesthood and a living prophet, there is a surprising lack of revelation. Any time I inquire about the prophet, seer, and revelator as to what prophecies he's made, what visions he's seen, and what revelations he's received, I am told to "quit seeking signs." I have yet to hear of a single vision from dear Gordon Hinckley, except for the Family: A Proclamation to the World and some vague references to a prophecy about 100 temples. If the LDS Church had the gift of prophecy, I should think they would put it to use. However, I have no doubt that there are inspired Mormons out there who have the gift of prophecy.
The NCCG does not claim that it is the only true Church of God, nor that we are the only ones with revelation. God is at work in other sects and denominations as well, including the LDS Church. Many of the NCCG prophecies, dreams, and revelations, including the most recent and uncanonized ones, can be found in the online version of The Olive Branch.
I hope this helps.