We have a webpage on Islam at http://nccg.org/islam .

We have long viewed Islam as a subdivision of Roman Catholicism. See the following videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piCBoHA0F-4

Therefore Islam should be viewed within the umbrella of the RCC which is spoken of in no uncertain terms inn the Book of revelation.

I actually met a Palestinian man who made the claim of Catholicism and Islam being "the same thing". Although this man was actually slightly mentally diseased and unstable, it might have been a hint from above that there is actually something to this theory. I'm going to investigate this concept, that I've only looked at superficially before.

I speak to this in most of the teachings and the book that God had me write which are all freely available for download at one of the following sites - www.perfectchristian.110mb.com or http://perfectchristian.hostrator.com.

The symbolism is found beginning in Genesis. Islam is represented by Ishmael in the Old Testament, (since Ishmael is the forefather of Mohammed and therefore the false religion of Islam) where Isaac represents Jesus, (who is our source of joy or strength, Neh. 8:10b, Jn 15:11, etc.). Though they came from the same father, Ishmael was the son of the flesh and bondage, (still represented today by the coverings that the women of Islam wear and the forced ‘worship’ of the men) and Isaac was the son of promise and the Spirit of God, which is freedom from the bondage of traditions and symbolic laws that will not bring perfection, (Gal. 4:22-31). Unfortunately many Christians still put themselves under the bondage of the old law, which is why Paul wrote Galatians in the first place, (but that is another story).
Ishmael therefore represents the Antichrist and those who come from the line of Ishmael will be of the antichrist spirit as they may acknowledge Jesus as a ‘prophet’, but deny Him as the Christ and as the Son of God. So they really do not have the same God and Father as we do, though even many Christians mistakenly believe that the Muslims worship the same God, (I Jn 2:22-23). This is where the whole religion of Islam fails, because they believe that Jesus was a prophet, but they do not believe what He said, (that He is the Son of God – which is why the Jews crucified Him in the first place). Therefore He would have to be a false prophet. However, if one tries to explain this fallacy in their religion to a Muslim, they do not receive it because their eyes are blinded so that the purposes of God through the scriptures can be fulfilled. Because the religion of Islam is not of the Spirit of God, they operate only in the flesh. They have no power through Jesus and the Holy Spirit to overcome the flesh as we do. Therefore they are represented by the clay, (flesh) in the dream of Nebuchadnezzar, (Dan. 2). Whereas, the iron in the statue represents the end-time remnant of the Roman Empire – so the iron in the feel of clay is the Roman Catholic Church. Though they will never ‘mix’ or agree in principal, they will join forces in some form in order to fulfil the end-time plan of God for the dragon to come against the Christians, who will be slaughtered en-mass by Muslims and this will be with the support of the Catholics. The false prophet will likely be the Pope who will encourage people to receive the computer chip/mark of the beast. The Beast will be outwardly a Muslim or at least have an Islamic connection, but will be only for himself, (Rev. 6:9-11, 12:17 and ch. 13). Many people mistakenly believe that the Antichrist will be from the European Union. However, he will likely come from elsewhere. In any case, he will have an Islamic connection at the least. Daniel refers to him as the ‘prince of Greece’ and tells us that it is the angel Gabriel, not the Holy Spirit as some mistakenly believe, who is restraining the Antichrist from being made known to us, (Dan. Ch. 10, esp v. 20 and I Thes. 2:7). Another symbolic story that shows the attitude of Ishmael's descendants towards God's people is found in Jeremiah chapter 40.

Islam is indeed the antichrist religion, but it is the ‘tail’ or end of the story and Babylon, (the world’s economic banking system of credit) is still the ‘head’. ‘She’ rides or controls the ‘beast’ of Islam, which will ultimately get its military power from the dragon – China and oriental countries. This is why Islam is so rapidly growing in the oriental countries; esp. China. Babylon, (the rich elite and the banking system) still controls the gold or wealth of the world, but will be burned with the fire, (nuclear weapons) from the beast, (Rev. Ch. 17-18). September 11th was a prelude to this. This next time they hit New York and/or other banking centers of trade, (i.e., modern Babylon) it will be nuclear. We are building up to this with the tensions in the Middle East. Eventually this will all lead up to an invasion of the United States, (see George Washington’s vision). I believe that we are on the threshold of these things.

Be Blessed,

Dr. Ray

Personally I do not fear Islam,
I actually will have to say I respect Islam more than false christianity and psuedo judaism. If some Islamic faction brings the sword on any groups it will be as the ordained messenger of G-d to rebuke the wayward ones. Don't get me wrong. I do believe the True believers in YHWH will be of the Fruits of the Earth in Heaven. But this whole building of the kingdom of g-d by the power of the sword by so-called christians and so-called jews, who both have a bloody history of genocide throughout their history, is wrong. Yahushua did not teach us to bring war upon the Earth. We are to overcome evil with good. If we are doing the true work that we were instructed to do then we have not a worry. Sure, some may suffer for their Faith and recieve a better resurrection but that is part of our calling. Better to suffer as a well doer than an evil doer. Those that choose to live by the sword of conquest are to die by it. Christian and Jewish Zionism that is trying to physically build the Kingdom of G-d is really what is bringing the most trouble on mankind. YHWH will be the builder of the True Jerusalem that is to come. The man made look-alike is called Sodom and Egypt in the Book of Revelation."Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Messiah was crucified." We need to be about the business of working for the Spiritual Kingdom of Heaven. Even the forced microchip is coming on us because of rebellion. We need to encourage one another to truly repent.

It is really amazing to see the same teachings from Jewish sources as what Rav Shaul wrote about. Here is a quote from Jewish souces:
"It is also explained in the Holy Zohar (part
III p. 221a) that the building of the future
Temple will be only through G d Himself:
“And up to now the first building of the Holy
One, Blessed be He did not exist in the world.
In a future time it is written: “The Builder of
Jerusalem is G d,” He and no one else. This
is the building that we are awaiting, not the
building of a human being, which has no
permanence at all… because even the city
of Jerusalem will not be built by a human"

Here are passages by Shaul:
Heb 11:10 for he was looking for the city having foundations, whose builder and maker is Elohim.
Heb 11:16 But now they long for a better place, that is, a heavenly. Therefore Elohim is not ashamed to be called their Elohim, for He has prepared a city for them.
Heb 11:13 In belief all these died, not having received the promises,but seeing them from a distance, welcomed and embraced them, and confessed that they were aliens and strangers on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For those who speak this way make it clear that they seek a fatherland.

Here's one by John:
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the set-apart Yerushalayim, descending out of the heaven from Elohim,


We are called to be pilgrims not plunderers.
Which Kingdom do you seek?

Yohs

I think Islam will, like all world religions, be replaced by the Antichrist by worship directed toward himself and to his source of power, Satan the Dragon.

I agree with Lev about Islam being a subdivision of Roman Catholicism. Through my research I have come to the conclusion that islam was indeed created by the papacy as a sword of the church in order to wage war on the north african christians who were not suboordinate to Rome and also to conquer Jerusalem for the Pope. The present day islamic leaders are high level freemasons subordinate to the Pope and the Jesuits that control him. Both religions call for works salvation as opposed to salvation through grace by faith and both religions will persecute jews and non-catholic christians when they get the chance as evidenced throughout history.

I think there will probably be a staged war between islam and the west in the near future (and we must realise that the leaders of both sides are treasonous high level illuminised freemasons totally controlled by the Jesuits of Rome) and out of the ashes of this third world war will arise the Satanic One World Government/One World Religion/Great Tribulation with the final Pope being the Antichrist and ruler of the world. I believe all religions (including islam) will eventually be absorbed into this satanic global religion after World War 3 and anyone who does'nt go along with it will be persecuted.

I believe there is lots of evidence to show you are both correct. The religions of the world are,for the most part really, just means of mass brain washing and population control and all controlled from the top of the pyramid. There are varying levels of true believers throughout the world but all are struggling to overcome the brain fog. Yet at the same time the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand and despite the earthly powers and influences, it will surely prevail. We need to carry on fearless of the agents of darkness. The evil feeds on fear. Overcoming fear starves the beast. We will all die soon enough anyway so why fear death?
We need to encourage--- in Courage one another. Keep pressing on into the things that please YHWH. Find ways to avoid what does not while remembering HIS patience. Yes the Scripture states that All who will live righteously WILL be persecuted, but we are not alone!
Prerss On!

I agree with most of the above, except that the Pope will more likely be the false prophet who gives power to the beast or Antichrist and not the Antichrist himself. The Antichrist will be a political ruler and/or movement and not likely a religious figure. Though the Antichrist and the false prophet will work together, (Rev. 13). The Free Masons, Illuminati, Catholics and Muslims will all likely have their individual roles in the matter. I agree that the soon coming WWIII will be just as manipulated as the other World Wars, though this time the powers behind the scenes will likely invoke the use of nuclear arms. This is how Isaiah 4:1 will come forth in its fullness. There is still a means of escape for some initially and more as the great trib unfolds, (Rev. 7) so persecution during the trib is not manditory for everyone, but it will be for most. This is what will call for patience and faith on the part of those who are put in prison or beheaded. Just as long as people do not give up hope and receive the mark of the beast, they will eventually prevail, though it is going to be worse than we can even imagine in the next few months to years. It has indeed already started, so I second the voice to charge forth with what the Holy Spirit is encouraging each of us to do.

Blessings,

Dr. Ray

A lot of people today believe that the Antichrist will be some future political ruler but this is not what the reformers believed. Our protestant predecessors all identified the papacy as the dynasty of the Antichrist and taught that every Pope is an Antichrist. When this message was being taught by Luther and others the protestant reformation really started to take off and the catholic church was being shaken by its roots. In order to counteract this teaching Jesuit scholars Francisco Ribera and others started to teach a new futurist doctrine in order to separate the papacy from the Antichrist and this is being taught in about 99% of churches today thanks to the Jesuit infiltration of our churches. You only have to go back to the late 1800's to find many protestant churches still identifying Rome as the dynasty of Antichrist.
A good article that explains things a lot better than I can is:

http://www.gospel-herald.com/futurism_history.htm

One thing I will say is that the Pope has always wanted Jersusalem; this was one of the main purposes of the crusades. I believe the Antichrist (final Pope) will rule the world from a rebuilt Solomons temple in Jerusalem and this will probably be after the absorbtion of all the worlds religions into a satanic one world religion under Antichrist.

The Pope is also secretly suboordinate to the Black Pope (the Jesuit Superior General) although openly it is the other way round. MF Cusack's excellent book 'The Black Pope' explains this fact. The Jesuit's goal is to make the Pope the universal monarch of the world.

All this could very well be true. Time will tell who is who. However, the scriptures and my own personal revelation from the Holy Spirit suggest that the Antichrist will be a political leader or body of people much as the body of Christ in the earth is the church. This is not to take away from what God has revealed to others on the matter. He will reveal more as the time draws near. One of the things that many teach is that the Antichrist will come from the Roman Empire or Europe, but the Bible does not clearly state this and there are other things in the Word to suggest that he will not. Daniel calls him the ‘prince of Greece’ so he will likely have a bloodline back to Alexander the Great. Ishmael is one of the symbolic antichrists in the Old Testament as Isaac is symbolic of Christ. Therefore, I believe that the Antichrist will be of Arab descent or at least will have a Muslim background, though he will not care about gods or women, etc. He will be a warmonger and spend all his time working to make war and conquer the world. The false prophet will look like a Christian but will speak with the mouth of the dragon, (Rev. 13). This will likely be the Pope. These are some of the reasons, (along with Nebuchadnezzar’s dream about the statue with the feet of iron and clay - the iron is the remnant of the Roman Empire which is the Roman Catholic church today and the clay represents the Muslims because they operate totally in the flesh = clay). They will not mix but will work together to fulfill God's will for the world.

I believe that several people have a piece of the truth, but time will tell and God will reveal things to us as we need them. Right now we need to focus on perfecting ourselves in Christ so that when all the bad stuff comes to a head and the Antichrist is revealed, we may be counted worthy to be taken out of harm’s way with the rest of the Philadelphia church, (Luke 21 and Rev. 3:10).

Blessings,

Ray


Richard said:

A lot of people today believe that the Antichrist will be some future political ruler but this is not what the reformers believed. Our protestant predecessors all identified the papacy as the dynasty of the Antichrist and taught that every Pope is an Antichrist. When this message was being taught by Luther and others the protestant reformation really started to take off and the catholic church was being shaken by its roots. In order to counteract this teaching Jesuit scholars Francisco Ribera and others started to teach a new futurist doctrine in order to separate the papacy from the Antichrist and this is being taught in about 99% of churches today thanks to the Jesuit infiltration of our churches. You only have to go back to the late 1800's to find many protestant churches still identifying Rome as the dynasty of Antichrist.
A good article that explains things a lot better than I can is:

http://www.gospel-herald.com/futurism_history.htm

One thing I will say is that the Pope has always wanted Jersusalem; this was one of the main purposes of the crusades. I believe the Antichrist (final Pope) will rule the world from a rebuilt Solomons temple in Jerusalem and this will probably be after the absorbtion of all the worlds religions into a satanic one world religion under Antichrist.

The Pope is also secretly suboordinate to the Black Pope (the Jesuit Superior General) although openly it is the other way round. MF Cusack's excellent book 'The Black Pope' explains this fact. The Jesuit's goal is to make the Pope the universal monarch of the world.

Here is a "Sermon" I just listened to this Sabbath. It is a timely message and approriate for this thread. The point is well made that the false church is anti-Christ. Is it the "false Prophet"? It sure can't be called the Prophet of Truth can it. What countries are the key promoters of this "way"? Will the Rogue administration of one of these countries be replaced by another who is "Going Rogue"? Am I suggesting the Palin is an anti-Christ wanna-a-be who may be ushered into a place of "authority" over men and in a new-age crusader war against the Moslem World??? Pray tell.

SHABBAT SHALOM followers of the TRUTH
Yohs