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    Being or Person?

    Posted by Lev/Christopher on October 22, 2008 at 1:35am
    in Patriarchinity

    I have never been entirely sure why you use make a distinction between 'Being* and 'Person' when it comes to the Godhead and man, respectively. I understand the motive in your doing so, viz. you do not want the Godhead to be viewed in anthropomorphic terms (and I agree, only I would describe humans as theomorphic). I bring this up in part because I have always understood that the two words are interchangeable and eqivalent to the Hebrew nefesh (soul = spirit/ruach + body). I expect you already know that the ISRV (The Scriptures) uses the word 'beings' for souls or humans and avoids the use of the word 'person' altogether?

    A 'person' has 'personality' or 'character' a trait common to both the Elohim and mankind so I have never had a problem referring to the members of the Godhead as being Divine 'Persons' with whom we can have a personal relationship. The word 'being' is much more neutral in that respect and is used of animals as well as humans. So when I view the Elohim as 'Persons' I am not implying they are mortal humans like us but rather possess personality and character as we do as their images.

    That's another reason I dislike the Whole Wheat wetsuit doctrine because personality is a function of both our spirits (the personality being uniquely our own) as well as the flesh (from which we obtain parental, and thus generational, personality traits). The difference between the two 'personalities' is that one is spiritual and the other psychic - the former remains constant, the latter changes as the carnal nature is crucified by substitution with the Messiah-Nature.

    My only concern is that the use of the word 'Beings' instead of 'Personals' renders the Elohim more impersonal and distant like the WW wetsuit. What do you think?


    The motive at least in starting the Patriarchinity series, was a rebuttal to the monotarians and binitarians-- that is the large group within Messianicism that I'm trying to rescue from the oppression of their monotarian and binitarian beliefs. One of their main criticisms of the plurality of the Elohim, especially the Christian Trinity, is the "God in three Persons" formula. Their implication is that the Christian Trinity is demeaning Elohim by replacing divinity with mere humanity. I don't believe that was the intention of the Christian Trinity nor is it my intention with the Patriarchial view of Elohim. But that seems to be a big sticking point with them, and in debates they will always default to that argument-- even though I've never used the term "Person." So when i point that fact out to them, they have little to say in response.

    "Person" and "Being" are really interchangeable, and in my mind as long as they are capitalized, then the intentions are clear (much in the same way "Elohim" is not equal to "elohim"). In fact I was just reading a passage in Scripture the other day (forgot where exactly) and the word "being" or "beings" was used in the same exact way that "person" or "people" would have been used. But with the monotarian or binitarian (and maybe the muslim even), the word "Person" carries a certain amount of baggage such that if they hear or see you use that term, they immediately shut down and write you off as a complete heretic. Whereas when using the term "Being" or "Beings," the window of opportunity stays open a bit longer.

    Thanks for clarifying. It's amazing how much baggage and stigmata attach to words. One can go paranoid around different people as you never know what's going to upset them. I almost feel like speaking in tongues ;)

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