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    USA: Health Care Bill Discussion

    Posted by Rodney D Ready on March 23, 2010 at 10:35am
    in Current Affairs

    Quote from forum...

     

    "Obamacare passed and on page 1 citizens are required to receive micro chips

    There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.


    The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

    14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
    formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
    16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
    17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
    18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
    19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
    20 Secretary"

    What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

    Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
    transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

    This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.


    So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually??????

    And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????


    SOURCE: www.opencongress.org..."



    We're not really surprised, are we? It's now up to the American public to respond appropriately.

    *blinks* Revelation isn't fulfilling itself THIS SOON . . . is it?

    From what I've gathered over the years even being privy to touring an IBM facility setup for showing off the 'new world' technology, the medical delusion would be the way the powers that be introduce the new economy and what I call their cattle tag for those belonging to them.

    What was passed as a Health Care Bill is more about control and communist takeover than anything else. It will go into effect by 2014 so may possibly line up with timelines I've been able to glean from the scriptures. Watching to see not making predictions but we have a pretty good outline to know what to be watching for. Seeing that something like this thing has an implementation date, it must be after what the Cabal and "rich men" are preparing for in building underground bunkers to hide in. If the redeemed 'elect' are taken out before 2014 it will match what I've seen in other research that after the speculated trouble around 2012 and revelation of the "man of perdition". That after the predicted trouble in the heavens, sun moon, etc., that there will be a round up and implementation of the new economy for whomever is left alive. Keeping in mind always the true reason for all of this is of our Kingdom of the Redeemed and refuse to give my birth right to any other. YHWH Yahushua is the reason for everything and He will see all of His people through everything who will hold on to Him.

    I won't be surprised now if many other nations follow suit and either come up with similar plans and laws or modify those plans or have already prior to this, modified current plans and laws to include the same things.

    The candidate Anti-Messiah proclaiming to be 'god' turns 30 in 2012 and eligible as a "High Priest" who could sit in His temple enabled by the ten horn ruler and the two horn ruler who speaks like a dragon. That same person was honored at age 12 by the release of the Disney Lion King Movie. There are many anti-messiahs but three prominent ones shown in the scriptures where one proclaims himself 'god' sitting in the new synagogue? or a newly built temple in Jerusalem.

    We would see this year a beginning to the final solution of the "persian resistance" corresponding to the last verses of Daniel 11. The world is talking about "Armageddon" even on the TV History channel and Discovery, on and on. But "Armageddon" won't happen until after Yahushua returns to split the Mount of Olives and all of the redeemed saints with Him. So, the deceivers can't even get the scriptures correct but they use them for deception for their 'flesh and blood' kingdom which we know is false. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of YHWH. 1 Cor 15:50... If everyone just had that understanding there would be no deception among the redeemed people.

    What to be watching for. But, in that we also see the 'war on the saints' of Daniel 11 and Rev 13:7. That has been going on but from what I've come to understand is a Jer 5 & 6 gleaning of the grapes in the end of the scattering just as in the beginning. The final removal of redeemed Yisrael from it's Baal-Peor relationship of Harlotry. The 'tree' of Babylon to be shaken to free those redeemed who have been holding on to it not realizing the call to come out of her that many have heard years ago.

    So watching and it appears things may be lining up. We keep watching and don't get caught up in the cares of this life to forget the big picture especially of our Kingdom to come.

    What is a concern now is what people are getting riled up about in this country. To see what's going on in some of the forums we may be close to some violence. But sad to see since the masters have already taken that into account and have everything ready to put down any resistance. But never know what militia groups or others will do. We hear now that the IRS will have personal people assigned to us and force us into reviews to make sure we are paying enough on all of these new taxes coming up this year. They have provided them with shotguns which has been in the news. We'll see how things get, and is nothing more than a way to hurt the lowest people on the economic scale and knock down many of those struggling to stay out of the government hand out lines.

    Never mind. I looked into information on this and this is just a National Medical Device Registry that records safety information regarding different devices. Medical devices (everything from bedpans and toothbrushes to pace makers and x-ray machines) are classified as class I, II or III based on their danger level (with the higher levels being class III).

    The person who wrote the above just slapped disparate sources of information and then spat out an easily discredited conspiracy theory, as many conspiracy theorists are wont to do.

    Don't get me wrong, I think it will happen EVENTUALLY. Just not NOW.

    The original source of the above: http://current.com/items/90842279_coverage-under-obamacare-will-req...

    The comments are key here.


    It "appears" the requirement to get a 'chip' or ID is not evident in this version. I had checked out a version several weeks ago that included similar information taken from the failed Real Id Act of 2005 and had corresponded with two congress persons about that. It "appears" the requirement has been taken out for a mandantory ID. Still the power may be behind some other wording that could give a governmental agency the right to determine requirement based upon a medical need which could possibly be invoked upon a 'medical emergency' or other reason. Still from what I gather the Act does not go into effect until 2014. From all of the other forced control of having to buy coverage, to taxing and medical requirements the bill is certainly communistic/socialistic enough. Even getting into personal information and beefing up the IRS to enforce.

    It appears Section C gives the FDA the ability to not only monitor device information but also individual patient information as well.

    Checked out the Device Registry section & the 21 USC 360i. (requires only tracking and labeling devices before the new addition)

    The wording in the new section requires a database to be established that can account for each device used on a patient not necessairly unique devices but multiple even of the same type. The record for a device can include individual claims info, survey info from an individual, and medical record. The specification also calls for tying that together with other data sources which could be anything else to be associated with a device/individual.

    I wouldn't be surprised if something like the "Real ID Act" comes back to the spot light or if somehow this Health Act does not already include it by giving 'open' authority to do so via medical determination to track everyone associated with it which includes All Americans on the first page...
    ---------
    (Verichip TV Ad Video)
    http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10004909/verichip-tv-ad-confirms-cr...

    On October 12, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved VeriChip for medical applications in the United States. The approval will allow VeriChip to be used to confirm identity, and check the blood type, potential allergies and medical history of unconscious patients. The device is subject to Class II special controls to mitigate potential risks identified by the FDA, which include adverse tissue reaction, electromagnetic interference, and magnetic resonance imaging incompatibility.

    Other chip types are out there as well and the RFID.

    DR said:
    Never mind. I looked into information on this and this is just a National Medical Device Registry that records safety information regarding different devices. Medical devices (everything from bedpans and toothbrushes to pace makers and x-ray machines) are classified as class I, II or III based on their danger level (with the higher levels being class III).

    The person who wrote the above just slapped disparate sources of information and then spat out an easily discredited conspiracy theory, as many conspiracy theorists are wont to do.

    Don't get me wrong, I think it will happen EVENTUALLY. Just not NOW.

    The original source of the above: http://current.com/items/90842279_coverage-under-obamacare-will-req...

    The comments are key here.

    BTW, I have attached the bill. Read pages 1000-1007.

    Thanks for pointing out that section title! Had to go research it myself then... I think we could draw conclusions for a purpose but not seeing any direct or absolute. And well, we are told that the false prophet / man of perdition will be the one issuing the edict. Looks like the system will already be ready whenever that takes place...

    DR said:
    Never mind. I looked into information on this and this is just a National Medical Device Registry that records safety information regarding different devices. Medical devices (everything from bedpans and toothbrushes to pace makers and x-ray machines) are classified as class I, II or III based on their danger level (with the higher levels being class III).

    The person who wrote the above just slapped disparate sources of information and then spat out an easily discredited conspiracy theory, as many conspiracy theorists are wont to do.

    Don't get me wrong, I think it will happen EVENTUALLY. Just not NOW.

    The original source of the above: http://current.com/items/90842279_coverage-under-obamacare-will-req...

    The comments are key here.

    BTW, I have attached the bill. Read pages 1000-1007.

    I went back to do some more research and found that well dog.gone some of the same 'real id' stuff is still in the health care bill and will require issuance of an id card corresponding to a standardized medical database for devices, individual medical and financial records, (tied to bank accounts). This is a second phase to the standardized identification database already created under Real Id. These will be linked as referred to in the wording of the bill. Other nations have similar efforts underway in this standardization effort.

    It will in essence be the national ID of 'real id' under the guise of a National Health card. I wonder if it will be called health card specifically or not...

    I also had to check out Real Id because it is law but did not include the means to issue a national ID card.

    I had in the past corresponded via email with a couple of my representatives from Tx. voicing my opinion against support of real-id after learning of participation of the US in a world wide meeting to determine guidelines for the data that will be collected. This whole mess is creation of a world wide database where standardized data elements are being used by all nations.

    They have in effect, passed the intent of some of the things rejected during work on the Real Id Act passed in 2005 but will now have the legal means of issuing the id cards with the financing. The Real Id Act is in effect now and as a result set in place a worldwide tracking database and set standards for any identity card that will be issued.

    All that will be left after this is to swap out the card for an implantable chip. This will move us much closer to implementation. They give a two year time line on getting some parts completed in the Bill after it is signed. This isn't immediate 'mark of the beast' tracking cattle tags but here it is in the making. Not surprised at a 2014 implementation. There will be some busy IT folks getting everything coordinated into a standardized database to include all medical records and everything else related to financial records, etc.

    Here is how Real Id was passed:
    ""Real ID was stuffed into the supplemental appropriations bill for Hurricane Katrina and the troops in Iraq, so of course we had to vote for the bill," said Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, yesterday. "But we had no chance to amend it -- no debate, no hearing, and no consideration of other alternatives. And now we impose on the states an $11 billion unfunded mandate ... I would say we wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't stop and think about what we've done."


    SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION.
    4 (a) STANDARDIZING ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE
    5 TRANSACTIONS.—
    6 (1) IN GENERAL.—Part C of title XI of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1320d et seq.) is
    8 amended by inserting after section 1173 the following new section:
    10 ‘‘SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE
    11 TRANSACTIONS.
    12 ‘‘(a) STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRA
    13 TIVE TRANSACTIONS.—
    14 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall adopt
    15 and regularly update standards consistent with the
    16 goals described in paragraph (2).
    17 ‘‘(2) GOALS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRA18
    TIVE TRANSACTIONS.—The goals for standards
    19 under paragraph (1) are that such standards shall—
    20 ‘‘(A) be unique with no conflicting or re
    21 dundant standards;
    22 ‘‘(B) be authoritative, permitting no addi
    23 tions or constraints for electronic transactions,
    24 including companion guides;

    Page 58

    1 ‘‘(C) be comprehensive, efficient and ro
    2 bust, requiring minimal augmentation by paper
    3 transactions or clarification by further commu
    4 nications;
    5 ‘‘(D) enable the real-time (or near real
    6 time) determination of an individual’s financial
    7 responsibility
    at the point of service and, to the
    8 extent possible, prior to service, including
    9 whether the individual is eligible for a specific
    10 service with a specific physician at a specific fa
    11 cility, which may include utilization of a ma
    12 chine-readable health plan beneficiary identi
    13 fication card;

    14 ‘‘(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time
    15 adjudication of claims;
    16 ‘‘(F) provide for timely acknowledgment,
    17 response, and status reporting applicable to any
    18 electronic transaction deemed appropriate by
    19 the Secretary;
    20 ‘‘(G) describe all data elements (such as
    21 reason and remark codes) in unambiguous
    22 terms, not permit optional fields, require that
    23 data elements be either required or conditioned
    24 upon set values in other fields, and prohibit ad25
    ditional conditions; and


    Page 59

    1 ‘‘(H) harmonize all common data elements
    2 across administrative and clinical transaction
    3 standards.
    4 ‘‘(3) TIME FOR ADOPTION.—Not later than 2
    5 years
    after the date of implementation of the X12
    6 Version 5010 transaction standards implemented
    7 under this part, the Secretary shall adopt standards
    8 under this section.
    9 ‘‘(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC STAND
    10 ARDS.—The standards under this section shall be
    11 developed, adopted and enforced so as to—
    12 ‘‘(A) clarify, refine, complete, and expand,
    13 as needed, the standards required under section
    14 1173;
    15 ‘‘(B) require paper versions of standard
    16 ized transactions to comply with the same
    17 standards as to data content such that a fully
    18 compliant, equivalent electronic transaction can
    19 be populated from the data from a paper
    20 version;
    21 ‘‘(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
    22 order to allow automated reconciliation with the
    23 related health care payment and remittance ad
    24 vice;

    Page 60

    1 ‘‘(D) require timely and transparent claim
    2 and denial management processes, including
    3 tracking, adjudication, and appeal processing ;
    4 ‘‘(E) require the use of a standard elec
    5 tronic transaction with which health care pro
    6 viders may quickly and efficiently enroll with a
    7 health plan to conduct the other electronic
    8 transactions provided for in this part; and
    9 ‘‘(F) provide for other requirements relat
    10 ing to administrative simplification as identified
    11 by the Secretary, in consultation with stake
    12 holders.
    13 ‘‘(5) BUILDING ON EXISTING STANDARDS.—In
    14 developing the standards under this section, the Sec15
    retary shall build upon existing and planned stand16
    ards.
    17 ‘‘(6) IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT.—
    18 Not later than 6 months after the date of the enact
    19 ment of this section, the Secretary shall submit to
    20 the appropriate committees of Congress a plan for
    21 the implementation and enforcement, by not later
    22 than 5 years after such date of enactment, of the
    23 standards under this section. Such plan shall in
    24 clude—

    You read the above you see required EFT, electronic processing, records, etc.

    See here some more: Page 259:

    11 ‘‘(7) INTEGRATION OF PHYSICIAN QUALITY RE
    12 PORTING AND EHR REPORTING.—Not later than
    13 January 1, 2012, the Secretary shall develop a plan
    14 to integrate clinical reporting on quality measures
    15 under this subsection with reporting requirements
    16 under subsection (o) relating to the meaningful use
    17 of electronic health records. Such integration shall
    18 consist of the following:
    19 ‘‘(A) The development of measures, the re
    20 porting of which would both demonstrate—
    21 ‘‘(i) meaningful use of an electronic
    22 health record for purposes of subsection
    23 (o); and
    24 ‘‘(ii) clinical quality of care furnished
    25 to an individual.

    Page 260:

    1 ‘‘(B) The collection of health data to iden
    2 tify deficiencies in the quality and coordination
    3 of care for individuals eligible for benefits under
    4 this part.
    5 ‘‘(C) Such other activities as specified by
    6 the Secretary.’’.

    ELECTRONIC RECORDS OF EVERYTHING...

    Page 503:

    13 ‘‘(E) encourage, as appropriate, the devel
    14 opment and use of clinical registries and the de
    15 velopment of clinical effectiveness research data
    16 networks from electronic health records, post
    17 marketing drug and medical device surveillance
    18 efforts, and other forms of electronic health
    19 data.
    20 ‘‘(3) POWERS.—

    Page 1007

    3 (b) ELECTRONIC EXCHANGE AND USE IN CERTIFIED
    4 ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORDS OF UNIQUE DEVICE
    5 IDENTIFIERS.—
    6 (1) RECOMMENDATIONS.—The HIT Policy
    7 Committee established under section 3002 of the
    8 Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300jj–12)
    9 shall recommend to the head of the Office of the Na
    10 tional Coordinator for Health Information Tech
    11 nology standards, implementation specifications, and
    12 certification criteria for the electronic exchange and
    13 use in certified electronic health records of a unique
    14 device identifier for each device described in section
    15 519(g)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
    16 Act, as added by subsection (a).
    17 (2) STANDARDS, IMPLEMENTATION CRITERIA,
    18 AND CERTIFICATION CRITERIA.—The Secretary of
    19 the Health Human Services, acting through the
    20 head of the Office of the National Coordinator for
    21 Health Information Technology, shall adopt stand
    22 ards, implementation specifications, and certification
    23 criteria for the electronic exchange and use in cer
    24 tified electronic health records of a unique device
    25 identifier for each device described in paragraph (1),

    Well, the picture is becoming fairly clear on where we are in the scheme of the 'final solution' and what is being done in USA law. That behind the scenes push overtaking all nations of the world like a snare. The globalist cabal is behind all of this transition.

    Here is an outline of how they are accomplishing the final stages:
    Real Id 2005 -
    Identity and Tracking *Database*
    All citizens - Individuals
    Security excuse (Homeland)

    Pass Act -
    To modify Real Id.
    Main purpose to get the national ID card back in.
    To establish the ID for Individuals eradicated from Real Id (not passed, still could be brought back up)

    Health Act -
    Immediate: Cash infusion into the system.
    Fix problem where borrowing/Credit is being blocked by going around them.
    Yesterday a huge infusion of cash was taken on a 'revenue anticipation bond' via Swedish Riksbank.
    Are they feeling the crunch from the "Club of Rome" Cabal...?

    Medical and Student *Database* All citizens.
    Medical device *Databae*
    Standardized medical records and repository (a huge coordination effort for IT)
    Forced Health Plan (no choice)
    Forced Payment enforced by IRS (no choice)
    Monitoring by 'independent' agencies across the country "Acorn, etc..." the Gustapo?
    Health or Individual ID (FAILED in the RealID/Pass Acts BUT NOW THEY HAVE IT.)
    Links Financial / Medical / Student Information together.
    Give TEETH TO BITE for IRS Enforcement where they are now receiving SHOTGUNS for a PURPOSE.

    Immigration Bill
    COMING NEXT: Forced BIOMETRIC Id included in the Immigration Bill. This will be passed no doubt and make it IMPOSSIBLE TO BUY OR SELL OR HAVE A JOB WITHOUT IT. The Biometric requirement transitioning the "CARD" of the Health Act to a "BIO METRIC" identification.

    The law is being ordered and set.
    The 'play' is intended to go live before/after/around 2014.

    Do we get the picture yet?

    Still thinking about this and how diabolical it is. The Forced Health Plan/Care will in Effect Force everyone to have a National ID that was rejected twice when presented openly as National ID. Now they have "Hidden" it and kept it from becoming an Issue. Now we cannot protest to keep it out... well at least we resist enough they can't just run right over us as quickly as they want to... though they will get what they are longing for and are in love with in the end... now the Immigration Bill will be upcoming in the news and it is even more diabolical...

    Still in amazement at that wording in the Health Act... May include ... card OR look " we have something better that we passed in the Immigration Bill " .... just crazy isn't it....

    The elite are for sure laughing at us...but Yahweh always has the last laugh...they forget that Yahweh promised us another flood but this time of fire.

    Received this in email. I don't agree with the conclusion but sheds light on the reality of the Health Care Bill (USA).

    Word of the Day: Dhimmitude


    Had never heard the word until now---Type it into Google and start reading. Pretty interesting. Note that
    Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are
    surrendering from within! Obama is leading us right down the path to total control!


    Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically,
    it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting
    conquered remnants to islam.

    The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States .
    Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax
    for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned.
    Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.
    How convenient. So I, a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate,
    cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the
    penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by
    the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is
    Dhimmitude.


    Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam.
    In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless
    Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem
    whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes.
    Where do I sign, bro?"


    These are indeed scary times

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