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    From John S. Thorells Desk - the counterfeit movement of satan

    Posted by Mats Rydin on January 12, 2010 at 7:57am
    in Body of Messiah Monitor

    You can read this article here from Dove -spring 1988:

    http://www.eaec.org/dove/dove1998/desk98.htm


    Good article.

    And we need to get back to what was prevalent in the churches I grew up in where it is always taught or preached to only listen to our shepherd who is the voice we hear and we will not follow another. That there is no man who is worthy to replace the voice of Messiah. And we don't see many teaching to become a servant of all but just the opposite.

    That one on one experience where we hold no man in esteem to replace that voice of Messiah of Heart we know by the Holy Spirit of YHWH Yahushua. And we give our testimony of the word, of our life, to exhort, to teach, to preach, to win the lost and to build up our redeemed family and to help them to seek that voice of our savior for themselves and to always be true to Him. Even to get out of the authority of man and come fully under the authority of our Father and Savior at His Right Hand. There is a price to pay in doing that, even where the esteem of man becomes of no importance at all. Life testimony and living it not just talking about it. While still esteeming others more highly than ourselves, even those who cannot see, that they may come to the light.

    John 10:25 Yahushua "Jesus" answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

    So we "Fear Not" because we do not follow men.

    But, those following men are examining the esteem of man and in fear as to being deceived or in fear others may be deceived because the only sure foundation is that one on one relationship with our Living savior we know. How times have changed over the years and it is come to pass that many love to have their ears tickled and to shun the truth while loving to eat Iniquity. The truth spoken even by an enemy of YHWH Yahushua does not change YHWH but is used by men who love to have followers and their money and power. Exactly that Jeremiah 5 and 6 are replaying in the end of the scattering as the grapes are gleaned twice, once in the beginning and at the end.

    So, too, there is true experience of YHWH leading to awesome relationship and just as witnessed of John, Paul, Stephen, Elijah, Abraham on and on. But, that cannot be had by listening to someone else. It is only had when we each pick up our own fork and eat that good food of spirit and with price to pay of submitting our life to our Father. And there are those describing the good food that we can eat but it cannot be eaten of spirit but from one source. And that YHWH has already warned us of those who would eat on the mountains instead of directly from His Holy Mountain. Someone not caring about followers or power or money will tell others about those things.

    And in this day we are still awaiting the end of the scattering and these words of Ezekiel may not seem so far off.

    Ezekiel 22:24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation. 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

    And we should always discern the holy and profane by what YHWH has defined as sin by His commandments and not what Babylon has told us or of man's thought which are full of lies. And that Heart is what YHWH is looking at.

    I remember too reading about William Branham and how he died in a car accient by a drunken driver a few miles from where my grandparents lived in Friona, Tx. And many others who were destroyed by going off track and to begin using their influence and power for ungodly gain and self importance, even being leavened by the enemy because of a sand foundation where the Heart of Messiah is not fully discerned and proclaimed in Spirit and Truth where Truth is Torah/law and His Interpretations that are so wonderful far above those of man's religion. How many lives were won by those men but then again how many were and are destroyed? Only YHWH knows.

    Awakened at 3am and this topic is brought out in it's importance as to discern this.

    To never judge nor attribute the things our Father has done through any man by the esteem of man. And I have to explain as this is most important.

    I thought of moderation and looked up a scripture concerning:

    Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in YHWH always: and again I say, Rejoice. 5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. YHWH is at hand. 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto YHWH Elohim. 7 And the peace of YHWH Elohim, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Messiah Yahushua. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and YHWH Elohim of peace shall be with you.

    Now, we must be careful not to ever attribute anything good of YHWH as evil no matter the person, to anything done of the Holy Spirit of YHWH. But, to discern by Truth vs. Iniquity and knowing that we cannot be deceived if we are following our true Messiah Yahushua who does speak to the heart and we hear His voice and no other. He does show us His Heart and is a wonderful counselor.

    And we do see lying signs and wonders. We look up those attributes of the Holy Spirit and we can discern.

    Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of YHWH Elohim, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Messiah forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15 And let the peace of YHWH Elohim rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16 Let the word of Messiah dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to YHWH. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Master Yahushua, giving thanks to YHWH Elohim and the Father by him.

    Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    So we can discern by the fruit of the Spirit of YHWH those things and even the men mentioned in the article appear to have been working under the influence of the Holy Spirit as the unclean cannot become clean by any other. Though man is also fallible and may walk right off of the path of righteousness of Spirit and Truth we can remember what Paul wrote.

    1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keepunder my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

    1 Thessalonians 5:20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    So, it is very important to discern, not think evil of good nor good of evil. And YHWH Elohim is the judge and we shall be seated with our savior in His place. So we will know then the outcome of all things.

    Matthew 12:25 And Yahushua knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of YHWH Elohim, then the kingdom of YHWH Elohim is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man and then he will spoil his house. 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

    Being careful then we cannot attribute everything to evil a man has done in life though he may have failed miserably and become a castaway but we do not know as YHWH is the only one who can know for sure.

    If we are not following man we will fear not. We can fellowship with each other and discern what we read or hear, that we speak or write not to cause anyone to accept one word as truth, but we see that each of us has a testimony and even that may be showing of what we love of our Father who is our Yahushua of salvation and to spend time and effort building ourselves and others as iron sharpens iron from the scriptures that witness of our great savior at the right hand of YHWH.

    Encouraged to run the race and to see what will befall any who disobey the scriptures. We see that in what many are doing this day as reported of Mr. Branham was being directed by an angel? That being true or not, if any man is proclaiming such, they are not listening to the one shepherd whose voice is heart of Heart and will not listen to another? We can quickly see if we are full of the word of YHWH and those things are reminded to our Heart by that voice of our one true shepherd who is at the right hand of YHWH.

    2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of YHWH Elohim in vain. 2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) 3 Giving no offense in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed: 4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of YHWH Elohim, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, 5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in watchings, in fastings; 6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by love unfeigned, 7 By the word of truth, by the power of YHWH Elohim, by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, 8 By honor and dishonor, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; 9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; 10 As sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

    And it is so important to discern the holy vs. the profane and the profane vs. the holy so we ourself do not accuse any person of evil report or a deceiver who is true. But, if we see a brother or sister who has fallen we ourselves would take on that attitude of being moved within to intercede for them and to have discernment of what they may need prayer for.

    And if we do see lying wonders we will know as the motivation will not be for any good of others. And will YHWH even allow it for strong delusion for any not loving Spirit and Truth unseparable and doing everything from that strong foundation? We can see where men have fallen not discerning the scriptures and knowing absolutely that Yahushua is the living breathing Heart of Spirit and Word of Truth of all scriptures that witness of Him. Do we know if any have come to repentance we have only heard about? We can judge the teachings to know if the Holy Spirit bear witness of the Word or not. And the Power of the Word which is where the Life is and is not dead knowledge but powerful life of a renewed mind and of a new man.

    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirt, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    To give to our family the things we are shown but as family and in doing what is required if we are to become set-apart to YHWH Elohim, and of our messiah Yahushua "Jesus" to reason together and to be prepared as wise servants who are full of the word of reconcilation to the world in moderation and good works of our Father as only He is good and anything we do by Him is all for Him and we are submitted not for our own glory, or power or for anything of ourself. It is all for Him. Lest we understand what our Messiah said by those who said "I" and "My" concerning His Name and His Power of Life that He gave to us all by great price and being pierced and executed at the crucifixion that all might have that Life of Power of the Holy Spirit.

    Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Master, Master, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


    A fine line and narrow walk to discern the Path of Life we must be on. Even some who have done works by the Holy Spirit of YHWH will be cast out in the end. And I believe it is in understanding of Spirit and Truth that must never be separated and in the motivation for doing anything. It must all be done as in the will of our Father YHWH and not for any other purpose. And His will is not for spiritual pride, power, love of money, many possessions of the world, preaching that YHWH only is blessing those with money, loves power over others. But we see Jeremiah 5 and 6 in replay. And even those falling over like cord wood by what YHWH is doing through those who would walk in what is told there. My and I will not operate in Spirit and Truth and will not give as in a family spirit of the Holy Spirit and will seek more to use the Spirit of YHWH for their own personal gain. I would not want to stand in those shoes.

    Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest shall be servant of all. 45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

    May we all run the race to win and keep our old man under but by Love and Mercy and of overcoming in our striving against sin, repentance, forgiveness of others, and destroying the works of the flesh in that way we are shown of our Messiah of His great remission of sin in forgiveness and of the power of His Life, and we shall see that prize we shall obtain in the end and that is as real as life itself of faith in our Messiah Yahushua of salvation we have by hearing His voice.

    Blessings, Emet (Truth) and Ahava (Love) of Yahushua and of our Father YHWH.

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