http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/holy-days/jubilee-and-the-sabbat...

Perhaps this might serve as a basis for discussion...

From what I understand from Leviticus 25:8-12, a Jubilee Year happens after one of the Sabbath years:

"And you shall count seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years; and the time of the seven sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years. Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family. That fiftieth year shall be a Jubilee to you; in it you shall neither sow nor reap what grows of its own accord, nor gather the grapes of your untended vine. For it is the Jubilee; it shall be holy to you; you shall eat its produce from the field."

I think it may be good to also look at the pattern of reconing the time between First Fruits and Pentecost, as I believe its a shadow of how to recon the Jubilee...

Right. I already accept it is the 50th year and immediately follows the sabbatical of the 49th year so that there is a 'double sabbatical' as it were. What concerns me is which year the next Jubilee begins. As you will have read in the link I attached the writer claims the next one is in 2028:

According to William Whiston's footnotes to Josephus, 24 B.C. was a Sabbatical year, and 23 B.C. was a Jubilee year. This would mean that A.D. 27 was a Sabbatical year, and A.D. 28 was a Jubilee year. If this is true, then 1977 was a Sabbatical year and 1978 a Jubilee year. Sabbatical years would occur in 1985, 1992, 1999, 2006, 2013, 2020 and 2027, with the next Jubilee in 2028

So I am wondering how the 2010 Jubilee, as claimed by some, was calculated. And another site puts it at 2012. So how do we untangle this confusion?

Perhaps this calendar, which I've referred to often, will be of use in determining the date or year of the next Jubilee.
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Creation...

The article concludes that
"When synchronized with secular history, it becomes clear that the Jewish calendar in common usage has a period of approximately 163 years omitted...
We are currently in the creation year 5933 AM (2009/2010 CE), which is 5770 on the Jewish calendar."
I believe every 50th year to be the Jubilee, so in a period of 100 years we always have 2 Jubilees.

OK, so using our secular calendar, when would he next Jubilee be?

Christian said:

Perhaps this calendar, which I've referred to often, will be of use in determining the date or year of the next Jubilee.
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Creation...

The article concludes that
"When synchronized with secular history, it becomes clear that the Jewish calendar in common usage has a period of approximately 163 years omitted...
We are currently in the creation year 5933 AM (2009/2010 CE), which is 5770 on the Jewish calendar."
I believe every 50th year to be the Jubilee, so in a period of 100 years we always have 2 Jubilees.

Just come across another Messianic site (Sighted Moon) which says the last Jubilee was in 1995 and the next on will be in 2045!

Well, if the theory that we are presently in year 5933 since Creation is reliable, and assuming the Jubilee occurs every 50 years since year 0, the next Jubilee would be 5950, or 17 years from now, in 2027.

Is it possible this event will be celebrated within the Messianic Kingdom?

An interesting theory goes that "man was alloted 120 years", meaning 120 Jubilee years - The year 5940 is within the 119th Jubilee cycle from Creation, in accordance with the calendar I presented.
the 120th Jubilee cycle of 50 years leading up to year 6000 (120 x 50 = 6000) may well be the time "cut short, lest not be left alive".

Genesis 6:3
Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
(World English Bible)

This is pronounced as a single statement, separate from any larger speech, set in between a descriptive narrative line regarding the state of mankind before the Flood, as a sudden soundclip from the Creator.

Regarding the "120 years", it has been reported that humans have lived longer than 120 years in modern times - I'm not arguing ancient times, when people still had the blood of Adam in them or what have you, but actually in modern times there have been more or less reliable claims of people living over 120 years.
This would compel us to consider whether the "one hundred twenty years" either uses the numbers relatively / symbolically, or if it is the word "years" that contains an unexpected meaning.

I think it might well mean JUBILEE YEARS, as 120 Jubilee Years does indeed line up with 6000 years of this age, which is an interesting fact.

Hi Lev,

Below is a copy of a post I made on another thread concerning the Sabbath Year. I will try to add my position on the Jubilee when I have time. The Sabbath Year needs to be kept correctly 7 times before the Jubilee can be observed properly:

To whoever cares to listen,
One major problem that I have with the doctrine of keeping a Sabbath Year starting and ending in Abiv is that it does not at all fit the Scriptural pattern. Neither does it fit the age old traditions kept by the sages of Yahudah.
Please don't think that I am promoting the blind following of Rabbinic traditions as I am not. I simply believe that all viewpoints and traditions are worthy of examination. Eat the meat and spit out the bones, if you will.
When I first read about the “Jewish” tradition of more than one “new year” I was skeptical. But upon studying it I believe that the concept is absolutely correct.
There are many “new years” in my life. Each of these “new years”, or more easily understood, “annual cycles” has a different beginning and ending day of the yearly calendar than the others.
For example:
There is the beginning of the civil year of the pagan inspired calendar that the general society and age that I am currently greatly affected by, that is called January 1.
Then there is the beginning of the Biblical Feasts that starts with the New Moon of Abiv Barley. The first New Moon that is visible in the season and time of newly green roast-able heads of barley. These feasts begin in Abiv and end in the 7th consecutive moon cycle with the Last Great Day at the end of the Feast of Tabernacles. “Deu 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying: 'At the end of every seven years, in the set time of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,……..”
Then there is the beginning of the year for agricultural production in my locale that is set and mandated by the government as March 10th.
Then there is the beginning of the tax year for heavy truck use tax that begins July 1 and ends the following June 30 also known as the “fiscal year”.
Then there is the beginning of the Public School Year that begins in August.
Then there is the beginning of the fiscal year that the Federal Gov uses that starts Oct 1 and ends Sept 30.
I could go on but I think the point is made that there are many “New Years Days”, or “Annual Cycles.
So it is with the Biblical Calendar.
The Biblical Agricultural season ends in the ingathering of the 7th Moon. The Sabbath Year must end then also.
"Exo 23:16 and the feast of harvest, the first-fruits of thy labours, which thou sowest in the field; and the feast of ingathering, at the end of the year, when thou gatherest in thy labours out of the field. "

The Feasts are absolutely linked to Agricultural Production with Barley being the Primary and Principle crop upon which the Feasts are dependant and also historically that the people of that time and region were dependant. Hence the term “Green Ears of Barley”.
If there is a Commandment concerning Reaping and Sowing it must certainly be applicable to the Primary host crop.
It is written:
Lev 25:3 “Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the produce thereof.”
If you start your Agricultural New Year with Abiv instead of after ingathering in the fall you cannot fulfill this Commandment in Lev 25:3.
When starting the Sabbath Year in Abiv you cannot gather in the Barley that was sown the previous Fall. You also cannot sow Barley that so called Sabbath Year and consequently will not have any sown Barley to gather in the following year. So you end up sowing 6 six years but gathering only 5 years. This is a MAJOR ERROR as Barley is the Principal Crop.
If there is a “Curse of disobedience” upon us for not keeping the Sabbath Year then it remains upon many who have this doctrinal timing wrong. Thanks be that YAHUSHUA has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law, as it seems impossible for us to redeem ourselves by our “obedience”!

Respectfully submitted,
Yohs

I appreciate your input in all of this, YOHS. There are so many complexities to figure out in diaspora. How, for instance, do you calculate an agricultural year in the southern hemisphere? If what you say is right, then things are going to be really messed up for farmers in, say, Argentina and New Zealand. Everything is back to front there relative to Israel.

That's a valid point.
The reality is we really can't carry out the Agricultural Commands in proper order as it is written, during this time of dispersion, unless we happen to be living in the region of the physical “promised land”. Many are trying to keep some of these commandments but are not even keeping the primary charge given to Adahm to guard and tend the Earth. Does this mean we should move to Israel? I don't think so. I believe in the Spiritual Kingdom of Heaven not the Physical Kingdom of this World that is using phosphorus bombs raining down fire from the heavens. We must do our best while we tarry as sojourners in a strange land.
Many brethren are quick to judge those of us who are trying to carry out our survival by farming, telling us that we should do this or that. It's like all the armchair quarterbacks during the Super-bowl. It's easy to say what someone else should be doing but it's quite a different story when you are the one taking the hits.
I believe that the Creator reveals Himself through nature and that farming allows an intimate experience of that revelatory essence for those who care to see it. But many don't want to get dirty and risk getting slammed into the mud. No pain- no gain!
It's like all the HYPE about how we are going to be experiencing the curses of the Law for not keeping the Sabbath Year by someone’s personal determination. I don’t buy it. Not one bit. It seems to be just fear mongering and hype.
How about all the other un-repentant sins of the dispersed? It was the worshipping of other gods that caused the dispersion. We seemingly can't even get that straightened out. And for that matter, neither have those who claim to be “Jewdah”. Just look at the Obelisk and Pyramid of the so-called “Supreme” court building just west of the Temple site. How many “Sabbath Year” proponents are in all reality supporting that Kingdom of Darkness? Give me a break! I find it really LUDICROUS! When someone lives totally free of the mark of the beast usury money systems I will be all ears! But don’t even get me started if you are pushing some doctrine of “exclusivity” or “spiritual supremacy” all the while you are participating in the usury system of darkness.
Not to mention the controversy about which is the Sabbath Day. Including the fact that most keep a Sabbath Day based on local Sun observation which results in the Sabbath being observed at many different times around the Globe. Yet many of those who make these observations locally want to make other ones based upon centralized observations made in Judea.
The Agricultural based Feasts are to be kept with joy and thanksgiving and are in perfect harmony with the natural cycle of sowing and harvesting in Canaan. But here, all the Feast dates set by Abiv Barley in Canaan, come at the most inappropriate times for farmers. How many non-farmers could joyfully take their paychecks for several years and staple them to a light pole that is exposed to the elements and wait for several months to recollect them along with the hoped for new paycheck that the mail man is hoped to add to them at the end of the year?
When we keep the Feasts here on the Biblical Calendar we often loose many days of fieldwork that results in direct losses of production, i.e. paychecks. Be that as it is we carry on. But it does make it harder to experience the Joy intended to be celebrated during these feasts.
So until someone is experienced in Agriculture, and repented of usury, I hardly think they are qualified to expound the Laws of such to any. Let alone to those who have been in that Ancient profession, by inheritance, from their father’s times.
Just my two Shekels worth for today!
Yohs




Lev/Christopher said:

I appreciate your input in all of this, YOHS. There are so many complexities to figure out in diaspora. How, for instance, do you calculate an agricultural year in the southern hemisphere? If what you say is right, then things are going to be really messed up for farmers in, say, Argentina and New Zealand. Everything is back to front there relative to Israel.

I ask anyone, and especially the bold teachers who are proclaiming that as of Abib 1 we are in year one of the current Sabbath year cycle, to show how all the Barley Farmers of Yisrael can gather in Barley this year. According to their teaching none was to have been sown last fall. None sown = no harvest to gather. Year 1 = no (0) harvest. Year 2,3,4,5,6 = 5 harvests. Year 7= no (0) harvest.
0+5+0=5
You can only gather 5 harvests under this erroneous doctrine. Torah commands 6 harvests and then 1 Sabbath.
It is plain and simple farmer logic and math.
Maybe blindness to this simple truth happens because of the failure to fulfill the Torah command:
Exo 23:10 “And for six years you are to sow your land, and shall gather its increase,
Is this command optional?
I don’t think any more so than any other.
Waiting for at least one reply to this issue Joe? Merola? Don? Lev? Someone?
Yohs