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    To Fast or Not to Fast ?

    Posted by Connie on September 27, 2009 at 8:58am
    in Forum

    This teaching was sent to me by Rabbi Samuel Thompson. This is the fourth (4) witness I have recieved on Yom HaKippurim (Day of Atonements) .
    What is our Heavenly Father telling us ? Have we been lead in error by traditions instead of truth.
    I am presenting this to everyone, and I the same as Rabbi Samuel, will stand accountable for this, but as Rabbi Samuel said in this message, we have to present the Truth, and what has been given to us. So Prayerfully consider this.

    All Scripture in this article is from the Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition


    Shavuah Tov to all,

    As we have the Feast of Yom HaKippurim (Day of Atonements) coming up tomorrow at sundown It has been upon my heart to write a teaching concerning this day.

    It all started off last Yom HaKippurim when I put some video clips of a Rabbi teaching on this day and due to health reasons this Rabbi had to drink water.

    Some guy who was very critical picked this up and used this as an attack against this Rabbi.

    With a closer examination of this incident, it got me thinking about a few things, as I do, I began to seek Yahweh, and also spoke to the Rabbi who confirmed that there is not a single Torah commandment, which commands us to fast on the Day of Yom HaKippurim.

    So I will now present to you, a teaching which I believe backs up my statement, that we are not required to fast on Yom HaKippurim.

    I am also aware this may cause some people to feel uneasy, however I have a duty to tell the people of Yisrael how it is, and it’s up to Kol Yisrael, to chose what they do, based on scripture and scripture alone.

    Shalom,

    Rabbi Samuel Thompson.

    Wayiqra (Leviticus) 23:26-32 (RSTNE)


    26 And Yahweh spoke to Moshe, saying,


    27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a Yom HaKippurim: it shall be a miqra kodesh to you; and you shall afflict H6031 your beings, and offer an offering made by fire to Yahweh.

    28 And you shall do no work in that same day: for it is the Yom HaKippurim, to make keporah(atonement) for you before Yahweh your Elohim.


    29 For any being that shall not be afflicted H6031 in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

    30 And whatever being it is that does any work in that same day, the same being will I destroy from among his people.


    31 You shall do no manner of work: it shall be a chuk (Torah Ordinance) leolam- va-ed(Forever) throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

    32 It shall be to you a Shabbat-Shabbaton, and you shall afflict H6031 your beings: on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, shall you celebrate your Shabbat.

    The first thing that we need to adjust our understanding of, is the very title of this day as it is commonly called the “Day of Atonement” or “Yom Kippur”. Please note that this is not what the text of Scripture actually has. Perhaps it is simply a case of human laziness that it was shortened to – “Yom Kippur” or the “Day of Atonement.” Whatever the reason was for this happening, it simply places a false idea in the head of those who use this title to refer to this day. In Scripture this particular day is always referred to as– “Yom HaKippurim” the “Day of Atonements.”

    It is important to note that it is not only one atonement that is being effected upon that day, but rather it is many atonements: one for you, and one for me, and one for each and every member of the people of Yahweh our Elohim! We need to submit to the Scriptural record and call this day by its proper Scriptural name,– “Yom HaKippurim” (the Day of Atonements).

    Let us remind ourselves that this particular day, Yom HaKippurim, is one of seven high days in the Scriptural calendar known as moadim or The Appointed Times, Or Eternal Feasts (Plural) of Yahweh. To understand this let us look at the word “moed” to see what it actually means.

    The Hebrew word which is commonly translated into English as “feast” or “festival” is the Hebrew word – “moed.” This word means “an appointed time or fixed day, a festival or feast day.” This word comes from the root word “yaad” which means “to appoint.”

    It is when we see the meanings associated with the root word יעד Anah that we begin to get a true understanding of this word מועד (Moed) . Surely to be betrothed and to be wedded is a joyous occasion for those so engaged in such an activity! When we keep His moadim according to the right day and according to what pleases Yahweh, then we are being betrothed to our Beloved.

    It is at this very point that my own personal struggle began with this particular day, Yom HaKippurim The Day of Atonements. The question that formed in my mind was along this very line. If this is one of the seven high feast days, how is fasting on this day having a feast? How does fasting coincide with this day? Is this a proper understanding of this day, to fast upon it? Or, has this idea of fasting been added to this day by man and its true meaning lost?


    We hope to answer these questions and more in this study. Surprisingly enough Yahweh actually answers these questions rather clearly in Scripture, if we will just turn to Him for the answers.

    Wayiqra (Leviticus) 23:32

    32 It shall be to you a Shabbat-Shabbaton, and you shall afflict (H6031)</</u>b> your beings: on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, shall you celebrate your Shabbat.

    The word which is underlined in the above passage is the word that we need to investigate to discover exactly what this word means. The Hebrew word is עָנָה – “anah” which means “to humble oneself” and “to answer or respond.” I have looked in more than four different respected Hebrew sources for the meaning of this word. Not one of them even mentions or hints or alludes to fasting as a meaning of this word. In fact, in the Hiphil stem it means “to exclaim or to sing.” I don’t know about you, but I surely don’t feel like singing when I am fasting!

    But what about in the rest of Scripture, how is this word used? Is there anything in Scripture that would help us understand that this word is not dealing with fasting? The majority of the time that this word is used it is in the meaning of one who answers another. There are other places where it is used in the sense of humbling. Here is one such place.

    Shemoth (Exodus) 10:3 And Moshe and Aharon came in to Pharaoh, and said to him, This says Yahweh Elohim of the Ivrim (Hebrews), How long will you refuse to humble yourself (H6031) before Me? Let My people go, that they may serve Me.

    It cannot be imagined in any way that Yahweh was asking Pharaoh to fast before Him! What Yahweh was asking Pharaoh to do was to worship Him and serve Him and submit to His authority as the Creator of all. But, as we know, he did not.

    Here is another passage where this word is used.

    Shemoth (Exodus) 22:22-23

    22 You shall not afflict (H6031) any widow, or fatherless child.

    23 If you afflict (H6031) them in any way, and they cry out to Me, I will surely hear their cry;

    Once again we see that there can be no idea of fasting in this word. It just will not fit! Notice this next passage, for in it are several things of great importance pertaining to our present discussion. It will show to us that there is no idea at all of fasting in this word .

    Devarim (Deuteronomy) 8:3 And He humbled (H6031) you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you knew not, neither did your ahvot (fathers) know; that He might make you know that man does not live by lechem (bread) only, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.

    Notice that in this passage we learn that to be humbled (anah) is different and separate from being hungry, which one normally is when fasting. Notice also that part of the humbling process that Israel went through was that they were made to eat manna and this eating of manna humbled them. In this case, the act of being humbled was and is associated with eating, not fasting.


    Devarim (Deuteronomy) 8:16 Who fed you in the wilderness with manna, which your ahvot (fathers) knew not, that He might humble (H6031) you, and that He might test you, to do you tov (good) at your latter-end,

    Once again we see the idea that to be ענה (Anah) is to eat manna. To associate ענה (Anah) with fasting is to ignore the Scriptural record!

    Now here is what I find to be of great importance: there is a Hebrew word which does mean “fast.” It is the Hebrew word צום – “tsum” (H6684) which is commonly translated as “fast.” One of the interesting things about this word is that it is not found in the Torah. Its first occurrence in the Tanak is not found until the book of 2nd Shmuel when David fasted.


    Now here is a question to ponder deeply which I have done and I would ask you to do the same. Since there is a separate and different Hebrew word that actually means “to fast” ( צום-tsum H6684), then if Yahweh wanted us to actually fast upon that day, would he not have used such a word? The evidence in Scripture seems to indicate that He would have been, and was, very clear as to what he desired from us. He did not desire for us to simply stop eating food for one day, particularly when He commanded us NOT to ענה-Anah the widow and the orphan.

    Shemoth (Exodus) 22:22 You shall not afflict (H6031) any widow, or fatherless child.


    And if we are not to afflict or ענה-Anah the widow and the orphan, then we can see the implication of this in this next passage.

    Wayiqra (Leviticus) 23:29 For any being that shall not be afflicted (Anah H6031) in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

    Surely Yahweh does not want for us to cut off from His people on a yearly basis all the widows and orphans. This would actually go against the very idea of NOT afflicting them! We cannot have it both ways. And Yahweh certainly did not contradict Himself in this matter! Surely you can see that the idea of forcing a fast upon the widows and orphans will actually afflict them, something that Yahweh commanded us not to do!


    Scripture never contradicts scripture, and Yahweh certainly would not say one thing and then turn around and do the opposite.

    So, if we are not commanded to fast on Yom HaKippurim then what are we to do? What does it mean to humble oneself? To answer that question let us go to the words of Yahweh Himself as recorded by the prophet Yeshayahu.

    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 58:1-3


    1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up your voice like a shofar, and show My people their transgression, and Beit (The house of) Yaakov their sins.

    2 Yet they seek Me daily, and delight to know My halachot (Ways), as a nation that did tzedakah (Righteousness), and forsook not the ordinances of their Elohim: they ask from Me the ordinances of mishpat (Judgement); they take delight in approaching their Elohim.

    3 Why have we fasted (tsum H6684), they say, and yet You do not see? Why have we afflicted (Anah H6031) our being, and You take no notice? See, in the day of your fast you do your own pleasure, while keeping your laborers working hard.

    We need to pay particular attention to what is being said in this chapter, which we will go through entirely. Yahweh sets the stage by telling us that there were and are those who say they are seeking to do His ordinances. However, Yahweh begins chastising them because they have set up their own day of fasting in which they delight. However, as we will see, Yahweh does not delight nor take any pleasure in this day of fasting that man has set up. On a side note, please note that in verse three, to fast and to be humbled or afflicted are two different things, not the same thing as so many teach. Yahweh has some very strong words to say in this chapter on this subject.

    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 58:4-5

    4 See, your fasts(tsum H6684), lead to strife and contention, and to hitting with violent blows: fasting on a day like today, will not make your voice to be heard on high.

    5 Is this the kind of fast that I have chosen? A day for a man to mortify himself? Is the object to hang your head down like a reed, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under yourself? Will you call this a fast, an acceptable day to Yahweh?

    Yahweh is quite displeased with the way they conduct their set-apart day of fasting. He chastises them, He even mocks them for how they have made their rulings on how to afflict (ענה) themselves. Yahweh asks the question at the beginning of verse five as to the matter if what they do is the fast that He has chosen. His answer is that He has not chosen such a fast!


    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 58:6-7

    6 Rather is not this the fast that I have chosen? To loose the chains of wickedness, to untie the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and to break off every yoke?

    7 Is it not to distribute your lechem(bread) to the hungry, and to bring the poor that are cast out to your bayit (house)? And when you see the naked, that you cover him; and that you fulfil your duties to your mishpacha (family)?

    The true fast of Yahweh is not about going a day without eating food! The true fast of Yahweh according to His own words is to help those in need. In fact, Yahweh commands us in this passage to bring them into our home and feed them and give them shelter. Brothers and sisters in Moshiach Yahshua, this is the true meaning of Yom HaKippurim, the Day of Atonements. Let us take special note of what Yahshua taught us concerning this matter!

    Mattityahu (Matthew) 25:34-40

    34 Then shall the Melech (king) say to them on His right hand, Come, you blessed of My Abba (father), inherit the malchut (kingdom) prepared for you from the foundation of the olam hazeh (world):

    35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me food: I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink: I was a stranger, and you took Me in:

    36 Naked, and you clothed Me: I was sick, and you visited Me: I was in prison, and you came to Me.

    37 Then shall the tzadikim (Righteous) answer Him, saying, Master, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or, thirsty, and gave You to drink?

    38 When did we see You as a stranger, and took You in? Or, naked, and clothed You?

    39 Or, when did we see You sick, or in prison, and visited You?

    40 And the Melech(king) shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Whenever you have done it to one of the least of these My Yisraelite brothers; you have done it to Me

    These words of Yahshua are strikingly similar to those found in Yeshayahu 58. We should pay special heed to these verses as we take in the whole counsel of Scripture. Now notice what Yahshua says about those who do not do this.

    Mattityahu (Matthew) 25:41-46

    41 Then shall He say also to them on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for s.a.tan and his shadim(demons):

    42 For I was hungry, and you gave Me no food: I was thirsty, and you gave Me no drink:

    43 I was a stranger, and you took Me not in: naked, and you clothed Me not: sick, and in prison, and you visited Me not.

    44 Then shall they also answer Him, saying, Our Master, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not attend to You?

    45 Then shall He answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did it not to one of the least of these My Yisraelite brothers, you did it not to Me.

    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the tzadikim(Righteous) into chayim(life) eternal.

    Please notice that those who do not do these things are not rewarded, but rather they are punished.


    This certainly gives new and pointed meaning to this passage that we had looked at earlier.


    Wayiqra (Leviticus) 23:29


    29 For any being that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.


    Yahshua actually gives us a very clear window as to why these are being cut off from among His people.


    Could it be that they did not keep Yom HaKippurim in the way that was pleasing to Yahweh? I submit to you that is exactly what is transpiring in this passage and more!


    The human condition is such that we have a tendency to order ourselves into levels of status. We also have a very strong tendency only to socialize within that status level, not going up or down. But let us prayerfully consider what it is that Yahweh is actually asking us to do on the Day of Atonements. Could Yahweh mean that when we are to humble ourselves that we are going to the social levels below us and inviting them into our home and feeding them and serving them on this day? Would this not humble a person much greater than fasting?
    To be sure it would!


    Mattityahu (Matthew) 22:8-10

    8 Then He said to his avadim (servants), The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.

    9 Go therefore into the highways, and as many as you shall find, invite to the marriage.


    10 So those avadim(servants) went out into the highways, and gathered together as many as they found, both bad and tov (good): and the wedding was furnished with guests.


    Furthermore, Yahshua commanded us to go out into all the world to bring in those who will come.

    Yahshua also taught us that He came to serve, not to be served and called us to go and do likewise. Doing this also lines up perfectly with what Yahweh says through the prophet Yeshayahu which we have looked at above. Let us continue on in Yeshayahu to see what else we can learn about the Day of Atonements and what it means to truly humble ourselves before Yahweh.

    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 58:8-11

    8 Then shall your light break forth as the morning, and your health shall spring forth speedily: and your tzedakah (righteousness) shall go before you; and the tifereth (Glory) of Yahweh shall be your reward.


    9 Then shall you call, and Yahweh shall answer; you shall cry, and He shall say, Hinayni (Here Am I). If you take away from your midst the yoke, the finger pointing, and the speaking of unrighteousness;

    10 And if you extend your lev (heart) to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted being; then shall your light rise in the darkness, and your darkness shall become as the noonday:

    11 And Yahweh shall guide you continually, and satisfy your being in drought, and make fat your bones: and you shall be like a watered garden, and like a spring of mayim (water), whose mayim (water) fails not.

    There are several wonderful promises found in these verses. Please note that these promises are conditional provided one gives himself to the hungry and eases the affliction of those afflicted. This is what Yahweh states very clearly is His fast. His fast does not consist of the cessation of eating food for one day and putting upon oneself sackcloth and ashes. Rather, His fast consists of humbling ourselves and moving down a notch or two in our social status to minister to those who truly need ministering to, the hungry, the poor, the naked and those who are powerless to meet the needs that they have.

    Fasting on one day of a year is easy compared to what Yahweh is actually commanding us to do. I wonder if there are many who would be willing to humble themselves and obey Yahweh rather than man?

    Please note what Yahweh now closes this chapter with. Notice the use of “your” in these verses as opposed to His ways and His commandments.

    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 58:12-14

    12 And they that shall be from among you shall build the old ruined places, you shall restore the foundations of many generations; and you shall be called, Gadar-Peretz, the restorer of paths to live in.

    13 If you turn away your own foot from the Shabbat, from doing your own pleasure on My kadosh(set-apart) day; and call the Shabbat a delight, the kadosh(set-apart) day of Yahweh, honorable; and shall honor Him, not doing your own halachot (ways), nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words:

    14 Then shall you delight yourself in Yahweh; and I will cause you to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaakov your abba (father): for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it.

    Yahshua taught us on several occasions the problem with the traditions of man.Mattityahu (Matthew) 15:3 But He answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of Yahweh by your tradition?

    Here is the truth of this whole matter. No one can point to any passage in the Torah or in the Tanak which commands us to fast on the Day of Atonements. Since this is true, then it is simply a matter of tradition. Now traditions are not wrong in and of themselves. I for one think that there are many wonderful and beautiful traditions within Judaism.

    The problem comes when man begins to elevate those traditions and put them on the same level as a Torah commandment.
    When this happens, then the Torah itself suffers violence and is reduced. What ends up happening in nearly every case is that the tradition supersedes the commandment of Yahweh.

    This is never good! Traditions are simply not binding upon anyone to do them! We are not obligated to keep traditions. We are obligated to keep the Torah commandments of Yahweh if we want eternal life.
    In fact, what actually happens when a tradition is elevated to the level of a commandment from Yahweh, is that another Torah commandment is violated, hence our reference to the Torah suffering violence above.

    Devarim (Deuteronomy) 12:32 Whatever I am commanding you, shomer (Watch, Keep, Observe, Or Guard )to do it: you shall not add to it, nor take away from it.

    If one was to add even a jot or a tittle or if one was to take away a jot or a tittle from the Torah, then he is guilty of breaking this commandment and doing violence to it. We must be wary of the teachings of man, this also includes myself! We are to prove all things with Scripture. Let us be sure that we do this, and do it always in an honest manner rightly dividing the word of truth!
    Mattityahu (Matthew) 16:6 Then Yahshua said to them, Take heed and beware of the chametz (Leaven) of the Prushim (Pharisees) and of the Tzadukim (Sadducees).

    One ignores this warning from our Master Yahshua to his own harm!

    Let us be rather sceptical of the teachings of man that are not in harmony with the whole counsel of Scripture. When we feel a tinge of doubt about something, we need to fully investigate it and not ignore it. I am confident that many of you, like me, have experienced doubts concerning Yom HaKippurim.


    Mattityahu (Matthew) 15:8-9

    8 This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips; but their lev(heart) is far from Me.

    9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

    Now who do we want to be following? Why it is Yahshua HaMoshiach of course! Can we not see that those who do not love Him are not our friends? Please consider this passage carefully.


    Yochanan Aleph (1st John) 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have Abba (Father) either; but he who acknowledges the Son has Abba(Father) also.

    Is it a slight thing for a person to seek the counsel of one who does not follow Yahshua as Moshiach? To be sure that it is not a slight matter at all.

    Qorintyah Bet (2nd Corinthians) 6:14-15

    14 Do not unite together in marriage with unbelievers: for what fellowship has tzedakah (righteousness) with Torah-less-ness? And what mingling has Light with darkness?

    15 And what accord, or brit (covenant) has Moshiach with s.a.tan? Or, what portion has he that believes with an unbeliever?

    There is no true harmony between the talmidim of Moshiach Yahshua and others. Yes, we are called to go out and find the lost sheep of the House of Israel. But, in doing so are we to seek their counsel? No, of course we are not to do this!

    So, let us recap with the following verse.

    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 58:6-7


    6 Rather is not this the fast that I have chosen? To loose the chains of wickedness, to untie the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and to break off every yoke?

    7 Is it not to distribute your lechem to the hungry, and to bring the poor that are cast out to your bayit (house)? And when you see the naked, that you cover him; and that you fulfill your duties to your mishpacha (family)?

    Yahweh clearly states that what He wants for us to do are the following:
    1. Remove the bonds of wickedness

    2. Remove those things that bind others

    3. Set the oppressed free

    4. Destroy everything that binds another

    5. Feed the hungry

    6. Bring the poor and those who are outcasts into our home

    7. Clothe those who need it How each one of us does these things is up to the individual.

    Each one of us must seek Him in this matter and then walk in obedience to His will. Obviously, if we can band together in small groups we can accomplish much more in this matter than we could as an individual. However, we must not lose sight of the fact that Yahweh wants each one of us personally involved in doing these things. If we cannot do all of them, then pick something that you can do and then do it.

    As I stated at the beginning of this teaching, I was writing in the greatest of fear and trepidation. Why? I am fully aware that I cannot afford to get this wrong or to lead others astray. It is quite likely that many will want to stop receiving these teachings because of this particular teaching. In fact, I may be publicly ostracized and perhaps even have my character assassinated for it. But here is what I know: I have done my duty before Yahweh and shared with you what He has laid upon my heart. What you do with it is between Yahweh and yourself.We will be looking for and finding others to share with and feed this year. We will not be fasting on the day of Yom HaKippurim. It will be the first time for us as we have always done it according to traditional Judaism. But in order for me to continue to walk in obedience to His Spirit, I can no longer do that.

    However, may I make this clear that if one should desire to fast, then there is no Torah Commandment stating that we cannot fast on the Day of Yom HaKippurim, however it is in my opinion that we should NOT teach fasting on Yom HaKippurim as a Torah Commandment when in fact its not.

    May Yahweh open the eyes of each one of us that we may see His truth so that we might walk it its fullness.




    References


    H6031 ‛ânâh

    Total KJV Occurrences: 83
    afflict, 29

    Gen_15:13, Gen_31:50, Exo_1:11, Exo_22:22-23 (2), Lev_16:29, Lev_16:31, Lev_23:27, Lev_23:32, Num_24:24 (2), Num_29:7, Num_30:13, Jdg_16:5-6 (2), Jdg_16:19, 2Sa_7:10, 1Ki_11:39, 2Ch_6:26, Ezr_8:21, Job_37:23, Psa_55:19, Psa_89:22, Isa_58:5 (2), Isa_64:12, Lam_3:33, Nah_1:12, Zep_3:19

    afflicted, 21

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    Then why did the disciples call it "the Fast"?

    "Passing it with difficulty, we came to a place called Fair Havens, near the city of Lasea. Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over" (Acts 27:8-9, NKJV).


    Shalom Lev,
    That scripture is not talking about Yom HaKippuim, but a hurricane that was rocking the boat that Shaul was on and he was praying to Yahweh and fasting 14 days, and a heavenly melech appeared to him and told him that Shaul must appear before Kasier, and was not going to drown. Shaul said he believed Yahweh that he would not drown.
    This has nothing to do with Day of Atonements.


    btw, sorry about all the underlining. I think my underline button must have got stuck at some point when placing this in here.

    Lev/Christopher said:
    Then why did the disciples call it "the Fast"?

    "Passing it with difficulty, we came to a place called Fair Havens, near the city of Lasea. Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over" (Acts 27:8-9, NKJV).


    oops, sorry Lev, I was looking to far down in that chapter in Acts. You are right. The mentioned scripture does say it was on Day of Atonement. But consider this .

    The Book of Acts was written by Luke, who was NOT a disciple. So we cannot say that the disciples called it that. Luke was a "Greek" physician who to portrayed the history of events.

    It is also called "a fast" in Yeshayhu 58. However, the issue is what "fast" has YHWH chosen? Is it a "fast" from food, or something else? The Scriptures clearly indicate that the "fast" is not of food, but of personal pleasures and goals.

    Between Yeshayahu and Acts, thousands of years had passed. Yisrael divorced and Yudah disassociated from the Ruach of YHWH for more than 400 years. It is during this period that the Priest and Pharisees again imposed carnal ordinances upon the Torah. Almost certainly decades AFTER Messiah's death, which is when Acts was written.

    Traditions are not bad in and of themselves, it is when traditions are elevated to the level of "commandment" that it becomes a problem. The abstaining of food is tradition, which is probably why the Book of Acts refers to it that way.
    I guess you could say this would have to be a personal choice to fast or not.


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    Shalom Brethren, Is The Day of Atonement A Fast Day?

    This is a question that has come up and is bigger than I realized. I was not going to address this, but this idea has gained some following and so I am sending this out now before the day of Atonement on the Hebrew Calendar. I will be keeping this day accordiing to the Sighted moon calendar. But which ever method you are using please read this study to know for sure what you are to do on this day of Atonement. For the record I beleive we are to Fast.

    Before I begin this message and the reason I have sent this out now is this. I have been asked a few times this week about whether or not we should fast on this day. A brother has sent out a teaching earlier this year saying we do not need to. I have also received from others a similar message in recent days. I read his report and thought he had some good points, but I was not convinced nor could I see what he said to be wrong at that time.

    Then this week a lady pleaded with me to prove this point one way or the other. Here is her request and my answer.

    Shalom,
    I don’t know how widespread this is, but in the OKC. area it is widespread, that is, the belief that the Bible does not teach that you are required to fast on the Day of Atonement. This is among the Messianic groups. The biggest group here teaches that it does not say in the Bible that you have to fast on that day. The group i go to, which is a smaller group, says that fasting on the Day of Atonement, is rabbinic Judiasm, started by Rabbi Akiva. They also say that no where in the Bible does it say to fast. They say the word afflict in Lev. 23:27 means to hear , to heed., . In Strong’s concordance it refers you to 6031. When you look under 6031, it gives you the meaning of affict, but does not use the word fast. They ignore the meanings under 6031, but pick out the one meaning that says that it’s POSSIBLY ident. with 6030, through the idea of looking down or brow beating. So they go to 6030 and claim that is what affict means and say that it means to do this spiritually. They ignore that affict is a verb and it is something you do to your nephesh, which is referring to your phyical body. 6030 gives the meaning as “heed, pay attention”.
    I’m sure that Satan is behind these teachings, and doesn’t want us to fast, because fasting is such a powerful tool to make us strong and overcomers, he wants to keep us weak and liberal, which leads to being asleep, and we won’t be able to stand against wrong and will give in . It seems most are so anxious to believe what the leaders teach, and don’t check up on it and study it themselves. When you understand the plan of salvation, to start to “hear, pay attention, heed,” on the DAy of Atonement, is kind of late and out of place. PLEASE show on your website that we need to fast on the Day of atonement, and afflict does mean that, that fasting is not rabbinic Judiasm. Thanks, Joe, from OKC. Area

    Shabbat Shalom P,
    I have read these other reports of not needing to fast on the day of Atonement. I have not studied into it in detail. So I have to say I just do not know.

    But because I do not know I will continue to Fast on the Day of Atonement as I believe we are suppose to.

    Here is a quick research I have just done. Hope this helps.

    Hebrew Word: Hn[
    Transliterated Word: `anah
    Strong’s Number: 06031

    Original Word Word Origin
    hn[ a primitive root [possibly rather ident. with (06030) through the idea of looking down or browbeating]

    `anah TWOT - 1651,1652
    Phonetic Spelling
    aw-naw’
    Verb

    Definition
    1. (Qal) to be occupied, be busied with
    2. to afflict, oppress, humble, be afflicted, be bowed down
    a. (Qal)
    1. to be put down, become low
    2. to be depressed, be downcast
    3. to be afflicted
    4. to stoop
    b. (Niphal)
    1. to humble oneself, bow down
    2. to be afflicted, be humbled
    c. (Piel)
    1. to humble, mishandle, afflict
    2. to humble, be humiliated
    3. to afflict
    4. to humble, weaken oneself
    d. (Pual)
    1. to be afflicted
    2. to be humbled
    e. (Hiphil) to afflict
    f. (Hithpael)
    1. to humble oneself
    2. to be afflicted

    Here in Isaiah we have the word Afflicted, which is what we are told to do, associated with fasting.

    Isa 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

    Isa 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

    Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:

    In Psalm this same word which is afflicted in Isaiah is translated humbled. Again assoicated with fasting. Ezekiel calls for a fast to afflict themselves.

    Ps 35:13 But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.

    Ezr 8:21 Then I proclaimed a fast there, at the river of Ahava, that we might afflict ourselves before our God, to seek of him a right way for us, and for our little ones, and for all our substance.

    In Isaiah we are told to;
    1. Remove the bonds of wickedness which is what Satan has done to the whole world.
    2. Remove those things that bind others which again is what Satan does to all people.
    3. Set the oppressed free which is what the Day of Atonement symbolizes by the locking away of Satan on this day.
    4. Destroy everything that binds another to make men free which is what the word of Yahweh does.
    5. Feed the hungry with the word. Man does not live by bread alone but by every word of Yahweh.
    6. Bring the poor and those who are outcasts into our home. This is the House of Israel. The outcasts are those who do not know the truth. They are poor by their lack of knowledge of scriptures.
    7. Clothe those who need it This is to clothe them in righteousness. Which is what learning the Torah does to each of us.

    These are are all on a spiritual level.

    The word Fasting in Psalm 35 is below and is not found in Lev 23.
    Strong’s Number: 06685

    Original Word Word Origin
    ~wc from (06684)

    Transliterated Word

    Tsowm TWOT - 1890a
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    tsome
    Noun Masculine

    Definition
    1. fast, fasting

    King James Word Usage - Total: 26
    fast 16, fasting 9, fasted + (06684) 1

    Strong’s Number: 06684 Browse Lexicon

    Original Word Word Origin
    ~wc a primitive root
    Transliterated Word TDNT Entry

    Tsuwm TWOT - 1890
    Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
    tsoom
    Verb

    Definition
    1. (Qal) to abstain from food, fast

    King James Word Usage - Total: 21
    fast 20, at all 1

    2Ch 6:26 When the heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; yet if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou dost afflict them;

    In the above verse, when there is no rain then we have a drought and no food. We would not be eating then, and our souls would be afflicted or fasting. Just as Isaiah has said as noted above. The reason we have no rain is because of our sins. We would then be poor and naked. That is not knowing the Torah makes us poor and not righteous which is what we are to be clothed in.

    This same word is used in 2 Samuel and means to rape. If we use this understanding are we to go out and rape on the day of Atonement? If we use the same logic as some are now putting forward not to fast on this day then yes we could also argue that we should also go and rape. Do you see how easy it would be for some to twist the scriptures.

    2Sa 13:12 And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly.

    2Sa 13:14 Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.

    2Sa 13:22 And Absalom spake unto his brother Amnon neither good nor bad: for Absalom hated Amnon, because he had forced his sister Tamar.

    It is again used to mean rape here in Judges

    Jud 19:24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

    Jud 20:5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead.

    Ge 34:2
    And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.

    When we read the following verses and see that we are to afflict ourselves from the 9th to the 10th of the 7th month and we see in Isaiah and Ezekiel and Psalms that afflicting the soul is with fasting then I have no longer any doubts about this command to fast on this day and to go without food and water.

    Nu 29:7 And ye shall have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein:

    Le 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

    Le 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

    Le 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

    Le 23:29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

    Le 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

    Now here in Zechariah we have some more information about fasting. Zechariah refers directly to the fast in the Seventh month; Which is the Day of Atonement.

    Zec 7:3 and to ask the priests who were in the house of the Lord of hosts, and the prophets, saying, “Should I weep in the fifth month and fast as I have done for so many years?”

    Zec 7:5 “Say to all the people of the land, and to the priests: ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months during those seventy years, did you really fast for Me–for Me?

    Zec 8:19 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘The fast of the fourth month, The fast of the fifth, The fast of the seventh, And the fast of the tenth, Shall be joy and gladness and cheerful feasts For the house of Judah. Therefore love truth and peace.’

    Notice that in Zechariah 8:19 these fasts will be turned into joy and gladness and cheerful feasts. When is this to be done, Before the Messiah returns? No read the rest of this verse.

    20 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘Peoples shall yet come, Inhabitants of many cities; 21 The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, “Let us continue to go and pray before the Lord, And seek the Lord of hosts. I myself will go also.” 22 Yes, many peoples and strong nations Shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, And to pray before the Lord.’ 23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” ‘ ”

    These days of fasting will be turned into days of rejoicing after the Messiah comes. Why? Because on the day of Atonement we see who is realy responsible for all the troubles of the world since the beginning. Satan.

    On the day of Atonement when Satan is locked away then and only then after this event is completed, then it will be a time to celebrate on this most sombre day.

    Until that time brethren be very aware of the many teachings that are out there. At first glance they may sound logical. But be cautious. Check with all the scriptures and not just the few selected ones which leave out the others.

    There are some who are saying we must go out and feed the poor and do good works on this day. Without saying it, they are saying that because this day is from the 9th at evening until the 10th at evening that they will have the poor in their own homes for this entire time. From Sunset to sunset. That they will only be doing charitable works during this time from sunset to sunset.

    This is something we are to do all the time and not just on one day. Please before you go galloping after some new doctrine sit down and consider it for some time and get the council of other reputable brethren.

    Brethren we are to fast in order to afflict our soul on this most solemn of days when Satan is to be locked away. As we are shown in Isaiah 58, Ezekiel 8 and Psalm 35 as we have noted above. Those who say we do not have to fast because of the wording in Lev 23 could also lead you to understand that we could go out and rape on this day using the same argument that they are now using to justify not fasting on this day.

    But choose wisely. Those who do not afflict their souls on this day will be cut off. That is they will be killed. Are you going to gamble with the lives of your family on this?

    We are to fast and not eat from the evening of the ninth until the evening of the tenth day of this the seventh month. For some who are using the Hebrew calendar that is Sunday evening and Monday. For those of us using the sighted moon calendar that will be from Tuesday evening until Wednesday evening at sunset. From Sunset to sunset is your day.

    Here is something I almost overlooked that I used in the Shabbat Shuva message.

    JOEL 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

    Joel is talking about a fast. When is it? Sanctify the people tells us it is on a Holy Day. And then we are told that the Bride Groom is to go forth. When does this happen? On the Feast of Sukkot. This is what this feast of Sukkot means It is the wedding super when the Bride Israel marries the Messiah. So the sanctifying of a Fast before this day is in reference to the Day of Atonement.

    That word closet refers to the Hoppah.

    Thank you for demanding an answer from me on this subject as I was not going to comment on it for this year.

    Now Brethren as some of you know we have been working towards some kind of Ephraim Congress or House of Ephraim Assembly where the Leaders of all these groups in all the various places where the Torah keepers of the lost ten tribes now meet, could come together and discuss certain controversial messages and come to a unified conclusion on such matters.

    This teaching on Atonement that some have put out is an excellent example of why we need to have one such group where doctrines can be examined and the many flocks can come and check out the pros and cons on any issue. It is the only way that Judah will talk to us. They will not talk to 100 or 1000 individual groups.

    We need your prayers on this matter as to whether this is what Yahweh wants us to do or not. Many other leaders have expressed an interest. We need your prayers this.

    Shabbat Shalom
    Joseph F Dumond
    www.sightedmoon.com

    http://www.sightedmoonnl.com/?page_id=552


    I have to add here an observation I have made about some messianic rabbis and their motives for creating controversy over what are, in many cases, trivial doctrines and practices (I am not saying that fasting is a trivial matter for I agree with Sighted Moon on this one):

    The minister in question belongs to a group which is making minor matters articles of faith (to mention 3 - there are more - the 'Wetsuit Doctrine' that Yah'shua was not of fallen human flesh, the leper-scholar doctrine - that Yah'shua was a leper, and the male concubine doctrine - that Solomon serviced his surplass wives with male concubines, all of which are pernicious heresies) in order to bolster the claim that they alone are the end-time Remnant and the only legitimate representatives of Israel and the end-time Kingdom. They treat those who disagree with them as viruses.

    They have what I call the "one-and-only-true-assembly" syndrome which is a curse to the Messianic cause, establishing their own Beit Din's which are far from being inspired in many instances (being liberal with divorce, for example, with members of one Beit Din supporting each other's divorces to get rid of 'inconvenient' wives by recategorising them as semi-wives). Evangelicals have had their own "one-and-onlys" in the form of the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnessed (who of course are no longer evangelicals) and the Churches of Christ, and no doubt many others. Having been through the "one and only" maze myself I am not about to succumb to what amounts to another cult-in-the-making.

    So please be careful. Discern the spirit behind different groups before you start digesting their doctrines - there are often hidden agendas.


    It seems the linchpin to the whole "don't-have-to-fast" teaching is The definition that was expo-facto assigned to the Hebrew word for "fast" (by a Christian scholar no less). Once the definition is adjusted to fit with the whole of Scripture there doesn't seem to be any confusion.
    Which brings up another question. Yom HaKippurim is spoken of as a time to "celebrate"--what does that mean? Certainly not a time to be morose and dour, but what does it mean?
    And then Sukkot is spoken of as a "solemn" assembly-- but what does the original Hebrew word for "solemn" really mean? Perhaps that is another word that doesn't have an adequate definition assigned in the lexicons. Who celebrates Sukkot in a somber semi-mournful manner?


    Indeed interesting thoughts Yaacov.
    That word, "celebrate" is what has had me looking at this feast time of Day of Atonements for several years. There is no way possible to celebrate while fasting.

    But now on the other hand you bring up another good question of sukkot and "solemn" assembly".

    I'm just thinking here, so what I say is not set in stone, but is it possible that these 2 terms of "celebrate" and "solemn assembly" when the Torah was re-written when the Greeks got ahold of it,
    changed these ? In other words switched the two terms around ?
    It would fit if "solemn assembly" was mentioned in Lev. 23:23 instead of "celebrate", and it would fit if celebrate was used concerning sukkot instead of "solemn assembly".

    Yaacov said:
    It seems the linchpin to the whole "don't-have-to-fast" teaching is The definition that was expo-facto assigned to the Hebrew word for "fast" (by a Christian scholar no less). Once the definition is adjusted to fit with the whole of Scripture there doesn't seem to be any confusion.
    Which brings up another question. Yom HaKippurim is spoken of as a time to "celebrate"--what does that mean? Certainly not a time to be morose and dour, but what does it mean?
    And then Sukkot is spoken of as a "solemn" assembly-- but what does the original Hebrew word for "solemn" really mean? Perhaps that is another word that doesn't have an adequate definition assigned in the lexicons. Who celebrates Sukkot in a somber semi-mournful manner?


    The word "celebrate" in the English language does not only mean to have a party - to rejoice or have special festivities. Catholics "celebrate" the mass ... which is hardly festive. Indeed my dictionary says: "to observe (an anniversary, birthday, etc.); to perform (a solemn or religious assembly). Therefore the word 'celebrate' is essentially an emotionally neutral term - it's what you put into your celebration that makes it joyous or solemn. Therefore it is perfectly acceptable to celebrate Yom Kippur in a 'dour' way.

    It is interesting that this matter should have been raised for in our Kom Kippur services today I said that Yom Kippur is both a joyous and a frightening occasion - joyful for those who have Yah'shua IN them (because they will not be judged) but terrible for those who do not. So what you experience in Yom Kippur is a function of where you are spiritually - just because those who practice Judaism make it dour and miserable doesn't mean that it should be. And who said that fasting has to be miserable? If fasting brings you closer to Yahweh surely it should be an occasion for joy.

    Connie said:
    Indeed interesting thoughts Yaacov.
    That word, "celebrate" is what has had me looking at this feast time of Day of Atonements for several years. There is no way possible to celebrate while fasting.

    But now on the other hand you bring up another good question of sukkot and "solemn" assembly".

    I'm just thinking here, so what I say is not set in stone, but is it possible that these 2 terms of "celebrate" and "solemn assembly" when the Torah was re-written when the Greeks got ahold of it,
    changed these ? In other words switched the two terms around ?
    It would fit if "solemn assembly" was mentioned in Lev. 23:23 instead of "celebrate", and it would fit if celebrate was used concerning sukkot instead of "solemn assembly".

    Yaacov said:
    It seems the linchpin to the whole "don't-have-to-fast" teaching is The definition that was expo-facto assigned to the Hebrew word for "fast" (by a Christian scholar no less). Once the definition is adjusted to fit with the whole of Scripture there doesn't seem to be any confusion.
    Which brings up another question. Yom HaKippurim is spoken of as a time to "celebrate"--what does that mean? Certainly not a time to be morose and dour, but what does it mean?
    And then Sukkot is spoken of as a "solemn" assembly-- but what does the original Hebrew word for "solemn" really mean? Perhaps that is another word that doesn't have an adequate definition assigned in the lexicons. Who celebrates Sukkot in a somber semi-mournful manner?


    Shalom,

    Sorry I'm late to the discussion.
    Just my two cents worth.

    In Acts 27 it states "the Fast" this was the Day of Atonement.
    So people fasted and Paul fasted-maybe.

    Later on it reads
    Act 27:27
    Now when the fourteenth night had come, as we were driven up and down in the Adriatic Sea, about midnight the sailors sensed that they were drawing near some land.
    Act 27:28
    And they took soundings and found it to be twenty fathoms; and when they had gone a little farther, they took soundings again and found it to be fifteen fathoms.

    Now this would be after the Feast of Ingathering. Isn't this one of the three MUST GO to the Temple and celebrate commandments, but here Paul is on a boat.

    The Spirit led him on to this mission and it was AWAY from the Temple during Sukkot.
    Hmmm, isn't that against the Torah?!

    What I am leading up to is that when one is led by the Spirit then there is no condemnation.

    Now I believe Yom Kippur is a great day to fast because it is a day to rid oneself of any unclean spirit clinging to me due to sin and sending it back to Azazel on that other goat. YH'sha does that for us now with the POWER of His Name.

    If a person is led by the Spirit to go out and feed the poor on this day and EAT with them that is just fine and they are under no condemnation if led by the Spirit.

    I originally was going to write something else, but my "computer bleeped it"? and then the Spirit led me into writing what you see.

    Col 2:16
    So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
    Col 2:17
    which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

    Matt 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits.

    Thanks,


    An interesting point. However, Paul and the Messianic Community is now under the New Covenant, not the Old. Those who are worshipping in the Temple following the death, resurrection and ascension of Messiah Yah'shua are rejectors of Messiah and their sacrifices are all in vain. Yahweh no longer accepts the old worship - all must now come through the Son. The Temple is now All believers, wherever they may be, so the Fast may be observed anywhere. Only when Yah'shua returns shall we be obliged to worship annually at Jerusalem.

    One final point - even if I am wrong here (about not having to worship at Jerusalem), it is only Pesach, Shavu'ot and Sukkot that require compulsory attendance at Jerusalem, NOT Yom Kippur ("the fast"). So either way Paul does not have to be at Jerusalem.

    Cindy Dunlop said:
    Shalom,

    Sorry I'm late to the discussion.
    Just my two cents worth.

    In Acts 27 it states "the Fast" this was the Day of Atonement.
    So people fasted and Paul fasted-maybe.

    Later on it reads
    Act 27:27
    Now when the fourteenth night had come, as we were driven up and down in the Adriatic Sea, about midnight the sailors sensed that they were drawing near some land.
    Act 27:28
    And they took soundings and found it to be twenty fathoms; and when they had gone a little farther, they took soundings again and found it to be fifteen fathoms.

    Now this would be after the Feast of Ingathering. Isn't this one of the three MUST GO to the Temple and celebrate commandments, but here Paul is on a boat.

    The Spirit led him on to this mission and it was AWAY from the Temple during Sukkot.
    Hmmm, isn't that against the Torah?!

    What I am leading up to is that when one is led by the Spirit then there is no condemnation.

    Now I believe Yom Kippur is a great day to fast because it is a day to rid oneself of any unclean spirit clinging to me due to sin and sending it back to Azazel on that other goat. YH'sha does that for us now with the POWER of His Name.

    If a person is led by the Spirit to go out and feed the poor on this day and EAT with them that is just fine and they are under no condemnation if led by the Spirit.

    I originally was going to write something else, but my "computer bleeped it"? and then the Spirit led me into writing what you see.

    Col 2:16
    So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
    Col 2:17
    which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

    Matt 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits.

    Thanks,


    Lev,

    I think you misread my post a bit.

    The Torah states you must be in Jerusalem for Sukkot.
    Paul was in process of being sent to Caesar.

    He was permitted to be with friends on the Fast, but was taken thereafter.

    Now, I'm a little confused as to why you proceed to consider fasting for Yom Kippur lawful, but say you don't have to be in Jerusalem for Sukkot. Paul was "in" the New Covenant and still the Spirit said he had to go to Rome to Caesar during Sukkot.

    Act 27:23
    "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve,
    Act 27:24
    "saying, 'Do not be afraid, Paul; you must be brought before Caesar; and indeed God has granted you all those who sail with you.' (Paul thought some would die-he was wrong)
    Act 27:25
    "Therefore take heart, men, for I believe God that it will be just as it was told me.

    The Spirit of YH'sha in this case is supreme over the Torah otherwise these events would not have taken place at a time when Paul should have been in Jerusalem or at least celebrating Sukkot in some fashion somewhere.

    The larger question is in my mind is Torah is everlasting and so how can the Spirit of YH'sha guide and not adhere to the Torah at the same time?

    There has been a change in the priesthood.
    There has been a change in Yom Kippur.
    Some of the "shadows" have been replaced by the substance.

    Has fasting been replaced by substance?
    When the bridegroom was here the disciples did not fast. Did this include Yom Kippur?

    Matt 9:15
    And Jesus said to them, "Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.

    We who are Conceived Again have the Spirit. We are supposed to be led by the Spirit. We are supposed to listen to the Spirit.


    Yes we do seem to be at cross-purposes a bit!

    Yes, you are quite right when you say that a commandment of Yah'shua (in this case to travel to Rome) takes precedence over a Torah observation. And yes, we must obey the Ruach. Higher commandments must sometimes take precedence over lower ones. No disagreement there.

    Were the New Covenant disciples required to celebrate the festivals in Jerusalem following the ascension? No, because the whole Temple system of worship, plus the Levitical Priesthood (who surpervised the moedim in Jerusalem) was now redundant (as I described in an earlier post).

    I have no doubt, though, that New Covenant believers continued to attend at Jerusalem out of habit (especially those who lived there) and with a view to winning Jews over the the faith. It is hard to cease old ways - it takes time - and that temptation would continue until the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. I can also imagine the "attraction". Every now and then I get nostalgia whenever I visit England and drop by an Anglican Church though it doesn't take me long to realise that it is practically dead. Just as Yom Kippur and Sukkot were attended in the wilderness and at Shechem before Jerusalem became the centre of worship, so we find ourselves in a wilderness system. Paul too, only the outer forms were still present and used in his day.

    So Paul did not have to attend Yom Kippur and Sukkot in Jerusalem on two counts:

    1. He was told to go to Rome
    2. The Levitical system was redunadant


    Cindy Dunlop said:
    Lev,
    I think you misread my post a bit.
    The Torah states you must be in Jerusalem for Sukkot.
    Paul was in process of being sent to Caesar.

    He was permitted to be with friends on the Fast, but was taken thereafter.

    Now, I'm a little confused as to why you proceed to consider fasting for Yom Kippur lawful, but say you don't have to be in Jerusalem for Sukkot. Paul was "in" the New Covenant and still the Spirit said he had to go to Rome to Caesar during Sukkot.

    Act 27:23
    "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve,
    Act 27:24
    "saying, 'Do not be afraid, Paul; you must be brought before Caesar; and indeed God has granted you all those who sail with you.' (Paul thought some would die-he was wrong)
    Act 27:25
    "Therefore take heart, men, for I believe God that it will be just as it was told me.

    The Spirit of YH'sha in this case is supreme over the Torah otherwise these events would not have taken place at a time when Paul should have been in Jerusalem or at least celebrating Sukkot in some fashion somewhere.

    The larger question is in my mind is Torah is everlasting and so how can the Spirit of YH'sha guide and not adhere to the Torah at the same time?

    There has been a change in the priesthood.
    There has been a change in Yom Kippur.
    Some of the "shadows" have been replaced by the substance.

    Has fasting been replaced by substance?
    When the bridegroom was here the disciples did not fast. Did this include Yom Kippur?

    Matt 9:15
    And Jesus said to them, "Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.

    We who are Conceived Again have the Spirit. We are supposed to be led by the Spirit. We are supposed to listen to the Spirit.


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