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    Rejecting Heretics... even the own family?

    Posted by Silvan on February 22, 2010 at 11:28am
    in Forum

    Hello dear family in Christ :-)

    I am in the difficult and sad circumstance that my whole family "in flesh" attends a church (new apostolic church) whos teaching are blasphemous, unbiblical and are not leading to recognition of sin, regret, repentance, conversion and the new creature in Christ.

    "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." (2
    Timothy 3:5) 

    This is so true for my relatives :-(

    I remember the words that Yashua brings the sword between families and that the one who doesnt "hate" his family for his favour won't be received by him.
    Here is the scripture:
    "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he
    cannot be my disciple." Luke 14,26

    I have read in my bible commentary that the word "hate" stands for "negate".

    When I was invited for "christmas" 2009 i told them the truth about this pagan holiday, and that I therefore could not come for celebration.

    Since then I have had until last week no contact to my fam.

    But I love them and moreover want to have the opportunity to witness about the Truth, showing them scriptures, and pray with them , that they may come to the knowledge of The Truth!

    Moreover, we are facing perilious times (everybody here surely knows), and want to help them!

    I am a little desperate.

    Though I am spiritually aware of this command to have no communion and have done so, I am wondering if I am though allowed to help and speak with them, at least when the purpose is to share Truth.

    What are your thoughts and experiences?

    Maybe i can ask you if you can sent a short prayer to our Father regarding me and my family?
    This would certainly be such a blessing!
    I am on my own here, physically alone, without the possibility to meet brothers and sisters.
    Thank you so much =)


    More scripture:

    • MARK THEM AND AVOID THEM--"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." (Romans 16:17)
    • SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM THEM--"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," (2 Corinthians 6:17)
    • REBUKE THEM--"...rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;" (Titus 1:13)
    • REJECT THEM--"A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;" (Titus 3:10)
    • WITHDRAW FROM THEM--"...we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the
      tradition which he received of us." (2 Thessalonians 3:6)
    • HAVE NO COMPANY WITH THEM--"And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed." (2 Thessalonians 3:14)
    • RECEIVE THEM NOT--"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his
      evil deeds." (2 John 1:10-11)


    We have to be SO careful here that we do not imitate the Jehovah's Witness error here in shunning or even hating families. Many of these passages relate to a certain CONTEXT and we have to absolutely know what that context is.

    Take 2 John 1:10-11 for example - this was addressed to first century GNOSTICS who denied that Messiah had any corporeal (bodily) presence. They said that His body was a phantom and therefore they denied the blood atonement for our sins. Now you probably know far more about the NAC than I do but I do not believe they deny Yah'shua's literal physical presence or the atonement. Therefore you would have no grounds based on this passage for totally disfellowshipping them.

    Let's look at 2 Thes.3:6,14. What's the word the some of the believers are ignoring? What's the context? The context is lazy people who refuse to do any work when they are able-bodied. v.10 says those who don't work shall not eat either. Paul is saying that idleness is a disgrace. I assume that NAC members believe in hard work? If your family do, then you have no grounds for disfellowshipping or withdrawing from them here either.

    Titus 3:10 - what's the context? This word "heretic" is a KJV rendition - other versions render this schismatic or divisive.These are people who want to split the body of Christ by arguing and contending in an ungodly way. Members of the NAC are not trying to split off from the Messiah's Assembly since they were never a part of it and don't know what it was. If they have not been born again then they might as well be from another religion. Approach them as you would someone in a false church, not someone splitting the true assembly up.

    2 Cor.6:17 - well, you've done that already, as you should have done. You are not worshipping with them or endorsing them. But that should not stop you from witnessing to them.

    Rom.16:17 - same as before. If they were to come to a true body of Messiah with a view to causing division, then they should be shunned.

    I see no grounds for your not having contact with these people, loving them and ministering to them as doors open. You have done the right thing in separating from them as a claimed part of the Body of Christ. Your commission is to witness to the lost!

    As the old saying goes....We may be the only Bible some will ever read. I don't think we can avoid the world, or those who believe differently or believe nothing at all.....and how sad if we did. We are a light and while we must not "be of" the world...we can certainly love those around us. And for many that love is what will draw them to Yah'shua.

    We are not on the outside looking in...as if we are missing out on something. It is quite the other way around. :) We are fishers of men and His light in us is the bait!

    Thank you both for showing me the truth :-)
    I am relieved to not have to have a bad conscience when meeting with them.
    Yes i love my family and care for them very much.
    So, all meetings are okay for the Lord except meeting for celebrating pagan holidays?
    What is your view on celebrating Birthdays?
    Can I go to that church services for having some opportunities for some personal witnessing there? Or is it bad because of my role model and being affected by the unholy spirit which dwells there?
    Maybe I should ask the Lord more directly such questions... but sometimes I can't hear him so well.. but thats a more general problem of mine.. with faith.. I am used to only rely on him.. and now here I have suddenly the oppurtunity to ask you.. lol

    Whether you should attend their church or not I cannot say. Many "one and only" churches interpret former members attending services to mean they are hinting that they want to return. It will all depend whether they put any pressure on you or not. Only the Ruach (Spirit) can tell you whether attending would be fruitful or not. If you don't feel strong and confident enough to witness "in the wolf's lair", as it where, then maybe you should wait. You must do what Yahweh tells you and await on Him. Witmessing without a clear word from Him is usually unproductive - only He knows when the spiritual doors are open and when they are, and if you are listening, He will send you. But as for attending the homes of members in a non-church setting, I see nothing wrong with that. I would definitely avoid the pagan holidays (xmas, easter, etc) but birthdays I see no harm in (some more extreme Messianics, like JWs, shun birthdays too but that is not our position).

    Yahweh will lead :)

    Silvan said:
    Thank you both for showing me the truth :-)
    I am relieved to not have to have a bad conscience when meeting with them.
    Yes i love my family and care for them very much.
    So, all meetings are okay for the Lord except meeting for celebrating pagan holidays?
    What is your view on celebrating Birthdays?
    Can I go to that church services for having some opportunities for some personal witnessing there? Or is it bad because of my role model and being affected by the unholy spirit which dwells there?
    Maybe I should ask the Lord more directly such questions... but sometimes I can't hear him so well.. but thats a more general problem of mine.. with faith.. I am used to only rely on him.. and now here I have suddenly the oppurtunity to ask you.. lol

    Something to remember, if you are believer in 2 house theology, is that you possibly are a descendant of the lost tribes - by definition, someone in your blood-family should also be.
    This possibility might have implications in regard to your family's natural disposition towards religion or the Scriptures - perhaps steps should be taken to teach them the truth of Torah?

    Hi Christian,
    I really don't know if I am an descendant of the Israelites. It could very well be. How can I find that out?
    My first name seems possibly to indicate that I am, though my parents never thought about that.. but maybe Yahweh did!?
    Just recently I am come to the believe that I want to study Torah, and obey the Law, so before I teach others I have to learn myself. But then I will for sure do.
    The first and essential knowledge my family has to gain, is the knowledge of the living God.. they have not yet experienced the Holy Ruach, because in their church Repentance from sin is not preached.
    They rely for salvation and forgiveness on Adamite mediators, other (fallen) men, but not on the ONLY WAY and Mediator between I-AM and man.
    Somehow brainwashed through raising and socialised in this church, which "ought not be questioned", its so hard to get to their hearts for me, though I am showing clear scripture. Without their Love to the Truth its impossible.
    But I have hope, there are some tiny signs that my, Yahwehs, words are fallen on good earth (in my mother), and also I hope that due to the difficult times ahead some may truely seek God and remember that I have told them some things about the near future.

    Christian said:
    Something to remember, if you are believer in 2 house theology, is that you possibly are a descendant of the lost tribes - by definition, someone in your blood-family should also be.
    This possibility might have implications in regard to your family's natural disposition towards religion or the Scriptures - perhaps steps should be taken to teach them the truth of Torah?

    If you are German by race then you are almost certainly of the tribe of East Manasseh:

    http://www.nccg.org/mlt/sermons/3_162.html

    Silvan said:
    Hi Christian,
    I really don't know if I am an descendant of the Israelites. It could very well be. How can I find that out?
    My first name seems possibly to indicate that I am, though my parents never thought about that.. but maybe Yahweh did!?
    Just recently I am come to the believe that I want to study Torah, and obey the Law, so before I teach others I have to learn myself. But then I will for sure do.
    The first and essential knowledge my family has to gain, is the knowledge of the living God.. they have not yet experienced the Holy Ruach, because in their church Repentance from sin is not preached.
    They rely for salvation and forgiveness on Adamite mediators, other (fallen) men, but not on the ONLY WAY and Mediator between I-AM and man.
    Somehow brainwashed through raising and socialised in this church, which "ought not be questioned", its so hard to get to their hearts for me, though I am showing clear scripture. Without their Love to the Truth its impossible.
    But I have hope, there are some tiny signs that my, Yahwehs, words are fallen on good earth (in my mother), and also I hope that due to the difficult times ahead some may truely seek God and remember that I have told them some things about the near future.

    Christian said:
    Something to remember, if you are believer in 2 house theology, is that you possibly are a descendant of the lost tribes - by definition, someone in your blood-family should also be.
    This possibility might have implications in regard to your family's natural disposition towards religion or the Scriptures - perhaps steps should be taken to teach them the truth of Torah?

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