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    Divide and Conquer

    Personal blog posted by Scott Ledbetter on July 19, 2009 at 3:30pm

    Nothing and no one is to come in-between you and YHVH. Not the governments laws, or the denominational laws, or the teachers who lead these denominations. There is one and only one High Priest and He sits at the right hand of the Almighty. No man or woman or institution can save you. No cultural or modern way, or teachings of science can get you into the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Only the truth can lead you to the salvation to which you seek. This truth does not lie in the half-truths and perversions that are taught by men, but rather they are in the very Word of YHVH. His Son – The very Word of YHVH – said of the truth, “If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32) So the truth shall set you free from what? It will set you free from the bondage that the tradition of men and the rudiments of the world dictate. The Word will set you free from the life of enslavement to the doctrines of men and the edicts of religious leaders. Only by following the truth will you then discover the way of Salvation, for The Word says again, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.” (John 14:6)

    In Hebrew, the word for truth is emet (HSN 571). The Hebrew word emunah (HSN 530) means trusty, trustworthiness, and moral fidelity and is most commonly translated as faith. Both of these words come from the same root word and go hand in hand together. The Hebrew word tzaddik (HSN 6662) means just or righteous (someone who has been cleared of any wrongdoing). So how does the Scripture tell us how a just or righteous person is to live their lives? “The just shall live by his faith.” (Habakkuk 2:4b) Scripture tells us that a righteous person will live by what is trustworthy and that is the truth.

    If you do not believe a government can tell people that if they do not believe a certain way that they will die, one needs only to look at the history of this world to see the fact of this. In Cambodia, the killing fields happened because those that had knowledge were a threat to those in power. This also occurred in China during the reign of Mao Zedong. Look how just for being the people of YHVH that the Israelites were to be sentenced to death in Persia (the book of Esther).

    When searching out the truth, you will find that those who control the masses are often those who will pervert the truth to make sure that their control is not questioned. These people’s minds were reprobate and their seething hatred towards others are obvious to the naked eye. Constantine, the man who merged the Roman government and the so called Christian church together, passed laws advocating the death penalty for Jews who followed not his Christianity. Martin Luther wrote a book that talks about burning the Jews synagogues and schools, stealing their homes, and ridding the world of them.

    To hate the Jews for putting the Lamb of YHVH to death is erroneous because the truth is that you and I put Him to death because of our sins and our need for atonement to bring us into YHVH’s kingdom. Further, it was YHVH Himself who sent Him to this earth for the sole purpose of His death. So to hate those that put the Lamb of YHVH to death means that you must hate yourself.

    Perversions of the truth to justify ones own beliefs or to consolidate power to oneself have been seen even since the Garden of Eden. With the Great Lie being that what YHVH says is not what He means, then this opens a door to allow anything and everything in. One could see that already by the third century that you had so called religious leaders debating on whether Scripture meant what it said or whether it was entirely allegorical can be seen, as you look at the writings of Origin and Eusebius (who was the chosen historian to Constantine).

    Taking the Scripture and changing it up between languages allows those controlling the changing to make changes of their own. Using languages that are considered dead and translating words whose meanings do not change into languages whose words do change causes people to misunderstand Scripture, and those teaching the Scripture do not make those corrections but rather continue down paths that use the new meanings of words and work backward changing the meanings of the words that do not change.

    By going to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, and taking a word that has changed down through the years via different languages, we can see how exactly words can mean one thing but in actuality mean something completely different. By taking the word cretin and looking at its definition, we see that it means either a person afflicted with cretinism, or as a slang term means an idiot. But when you look at the etymology of the word (study of the origins of a word), we see that in English we get the word from the French word cretin which means a deformed and mentally retarded person found in certain Alpine valleys. This word can be traced to the Swiss French word crestin which comes from the Latin word christinus and this is the word for Christian.

    The fact of the matter is that when you change up words or phrases – or in the case of new manuscripts found within the last one hundred plus years where they mysteriously leave entire verses or chapters out – then you have a situation where the truth is being manipulated so it can manipulate you. Also, Scriptures are taken out of context to mean whatever one wants them to mean instead of reading what the Scripture wants them to read. This causes different people to believe different things all the while calling what each believes to be the truth.

    The divisions that are here today are not new to the followers of the Messiah, and are even recorded in Scripture to tell us how spiritually deadly they are. “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Adonai Yeshua HaMashiac, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, ‘I am of Paul;’ and ‘I of Apollos;’ and ‘I of Cephas;’ and ‘I of the Messiah.’ Is the Messiah divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:10-13)

    Divisions is the Greek word schisma (GSN 4978) and it means a split or gap, and it is where we get our English word Schism. How many times have you known, seen, or heard of a congregation having a schism? It is all too common because you can not get people to agree on what Scripture says. Contentions is the Greek word eris (GSN 2054) and means a quarrel or wrangling. How many times have you known, seen, or heard of people wrangling over the meaning of a passage until someone or a group of people get angry?

    HaSatan, by getting men and women to argue over the meaning of words as well as changes in words, has caused the body of the Messiah to split to where many have erred and left the faith because they allowed their forbidden desires to take hold of their minds. In doing so, they chose to allow the Word’s meanings to change because they could not have them stay the same. These people are not arguing over the Word, but rather they are arguing over their forbidden desires and how that they can control others.

    Controlling others leads to money and power. The ones who control the masses controls what they do and can order them to do whatever they want. Instead of fighting against him, HaSatan has us fighting against each other, biting and devouring one another to the point that we all lie bloody and spiritually dead. And since no one bothers to seek the truth out, the fighting that they are doing is all based on lies and misinterpretations of Scripture.

    These modern day spiritual leaders love to be addressed by titles which make them sound even more above others than they already are. They are called by Pastor or Reverend or Father, but they are not being called these things for the Messiah’s sake. These men and women wish to sit in the honorary places and be given reverence for their positions in the “church.”

    They put themselves in the positions of being entrusted with the spiritual truths so that the layman must go to them and them only so as to find out what they need to do in the kingdom of Heaven. If you have any problems, they are the ones who you are to seek out and you are to ask them to pray for you because whatever they pray will happen. They see their positions as destiny and so anyone who questions or who does not recognize their positions are to be shunned. They are excellent at delegating, but do not like to get their hands dirty.

    These leaders, who do not teach the truth but revel in the perverted truth work hard to go throughout the world and make disciples for their cause. They scour the land, sea, radio, television, and internet seeking converts to their ways. They teach out of other spiritual leaders books that have been published before them so as to justify their own beliefs and teachings. They seek those who are willing to submit to their teachings and judgments and who will not go to the Word but go through them to go to the Word. These false teachers huddle in seminaries and other ministerial colleges teaching young minds using other books than the Word to explain what the Word really means.

    They have bound extra rules to people so as to make sure they do it the certain denominations way. There are books, like the Methodists Book of the Law, that seek to tell you how to live that denominations brand of Christian life. Then they take those rules and regulations and use them to sit in judgment over others, even kicking people out of a denomination if they do not follow that denominations rules and regulations to a tee. They hide their own lives behind closed doors so that no one would be able to see their hypocrisy.

    These false teachers love to demand your money and use the last little bit that you have simply to enrich themselves or their own projects. They love the long introductions detailing all the “good works” they have done. They love to be asked to say the prayers or to lead the congregation in study. They love to sit in special places within the building and to wear fancy clothing that distinguishes them from the rest of the people there.

    None of this is new, for it has been happening ever since before the time that the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. This had been happening ever since the times of Moses and after, when leaders took more upon themselves than YHVH gave them permission to do. Here is what The Word had to say to those and these people.

    “But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even the Messiah; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even the Messiah. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” (Matthew 23:8-15)

    He goes on to say: “Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites Because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous, and say, ‘If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’ Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:24-33)

    Those words were not only for all of those religious leaders of that day, but they have been for every religious leader that denies the very truth even to this day and beyond. These are people who will divert you from the truth by sending you to another source. They will gladly show you all the awards, recognitions, and degrees proving to you that they are wise. When they do take you to Scripture, they either pull a verse or two out of several different places or they tell you that what you have read is not saying what it says, but really says something else. The modern day scribes who publish modern day translations leave out words, phrases, and even long sections of Scripture simply because it does not bolster their views and they have found manuscripts that do not contain them, written by others who did not share the view of Scripture.



    Comment by Lev/Christopher on July 23, 2009 at 12:47pm
    Fair enough (as far as a preferred version is concerned) in which case you are more or less on the same footing as the rest of us. FYI I do not give the NKJV carte blanche and do not hesitate to correct it when it clearly perpetuates a translation error. The reason I use it (and the only reason) is because it is familiar to the masses, it is not to loaded with hebraic words that the majority of believers get turned off by it, it is modern enough (as far as English goes) without being a dynamic equivalent translation (such as the NIV, with all the rists of interpretation that involves) and clsoe enough to the KJV (so as to appeal to those who are prone to that version). I am aware of the weaknesses of the Nestle-Aland Text and do not give it carte blanche either and was for many years a sponsor of the Byzantine text until I found out that there was more than one version of it (I still think they are superior to the Nestle construct though it has been proven that the Byzantine/Received textsual variations also contain correction....inevitiably since there is more than one version).

    Then there is the problem of consulting the "Hebrew and Greek" texts, as you put it, since the Masoretic version which is the basis of nearly ALL OT translations, including the Received/Byzantine text, was itself corrupted by the Masoretes with an anti-messianic agenda. So which Hebrew? And which Greek? Again, we have no Hebraic originals so we are left to conject. Personally, I believe the HRV is one of the best.

    My purpose was not to prove that you are a King James Onlyer but to get you to make a statement, as you have now done, which I appreciate. I don't see why you had to be so aggressive when in fact we both have the same agenda. It would have been wiser to ask gently instead of coming across as a prophet of judgment. These are exceedingly complicated issues and making a list of Bible tranlations does not authenticate a message claiming to be felicitous to the original.

    We are, in content, forced to deal with the best rather than the perfect because the perfect does not exist any longer - that's the brutal truth. Therefore we must show a little patience, tolerance and grace with one another since we all operate under the same handicap as far as biblical MSS are concerned.

    Since neither of us are here to please the other, but YHWH, we need not make a show of it to score points, need we?

    Finally, I have to point out that the 1611 KJV does not (as I said before) exist any longer. It has long been lost, We have only revisions.

    So we have an interesting "problem" since we no longer have the OT and NT originals.



    Comment by Scott Ledbetter on July 23, 2009 at 9:33am
    I do not use one version exclusively. I specifically teach people to understand and read the Hebrew and the Greek, that way they can cut out the middle man and go straight to the Word of YHVH. I have the KJV, the 1611 KJV, the 1599 Geneva Bible, Websters, Luther's, Wycliff's, the JPS Tanach, the Artscroll Tanach, the Leeser Tanach, and so on. I have bible software that contains the newer versions, but I do not use them. I have a CJB and The Scriptures, but have serious issues with both. If I train up a child in the wrong way, then why should I expect that child to grow in the right way?

    All of your arguments that you have used to show why the Book of Enoch is not inspired can be used on the Westcott-Hort Greek Text and all the versions that have used that and Kittle's Hebrew Text. Saying that the text is approved of by pagans is also correct when it comes to those Texts I just mentioned. The NKJV, which I see that you quote out of, comes from these sources. I went and looked at the link that you provided to justify why you believe the way you do, and it is full of denominational doctrine that takes the opposite opinion to what you believe concerning the Book of Enoch. I have said nothing that the web page you sent me and others to says, and so if I am speaking Lashon Hara, so is that website. The only difference is that they are backing all of the newer versions and I am shoing how those versions are false versions which will lead people to destruction.

    Are you not trying your best to hang the millstone you call the KJV around my kneck? You hammer me to find out which one version I use, and I do not use only one, but use the Hebrew and Greek Texts to base what I believe on. I do not need the middleman to tell me what to believe and what to think. There are things you and I strongly agree on, but I fear this is one that we shall not see eye to eye on.

    I am not here to please you nor am I here to please anyone else. And if I was to be booted from here for speaking the Truth, then I would not shed any tears. When I signed up for this group, you asked me what version I preferred. You have access to that information. But the reason you want me to say it here is so that you can find grounds to attack me as being a "KJV only nut", of which I am not. I am here to do the service of YHVH and to preach and teach what He tells me to and not what men tell me to. I do not send anyone to any denominational websight to look for answers, but simply direct everyone to the Word of YHVH. Denominations are condemned in 1 Corinthians 1, so to advocate such is a false teaching.

    If by me using or quoting from a certain version is - in your mind - the same as me endorsing that Scripture, then the same would apply to you. You claim that I am shooting from a concealed position, however, as I have said, I already gave my answer when I signed up for this group, following the invitation you sent me. And the teachings that I have posted here are also on many other sites, so it is not new, and it was common knowledge when you invited me here and also invited me to the Book of Enoch group here. I could ask you if all of that was an attempt to get me into a debate with you and to make me look bad? I have no ego, and even if that was the desired goal - and I am not saying that it was for to my knowledge, we bumped into one another in a pro-polygamy group that both of us are members of - I am not affected by the whims of the approval of men, for if that is what we seek, that is all we will get and be disapproved of by YHVH.

    Scripture said one thing for centuries, until a group of men, specifically two, decided to use a Greek text that pagans love to base their Greek Text upon, which leaves out many verses and passages, so that they have taken from Scripture which is a clear violation of Torah, and it also allows them to force Scripture to say what they wanted it to say. Why would YHVH bring out the "Correct" Scripture 1850+ years after Shavu'ot and send everyone to She'ol because they did not have the truth? The answer lies in your answer to if the Book of Enoch is Scriptural.



    Comment by Lev/Christopher on July 22, 2009 at 11:00am
    Sir, you misrepresent me. I have not given carte blanche approval to ANY scriptural translation and have stated as much. But you have yet to show me a perfect translation - I know of none. You could begin by stating the version that you prefer and use because so far all you have done is shoot arrows from a concealed position. So please let us know the version you use and advocate from which you get your doctrinal positions.



    Comment by Scott Ledbetter on July 20, 2009 at 10:39pm
    In computer langauage, you have a term called GIGO and it means garbage in, garbage out. When you begin a translation with falsehoods, you are not going to come out with truth. There are a multitude of people that will be more than glad to defend these falsehood filled pseudo-Scriptures, but there are also a multitude that will not enter into the Kingdom og YHVH. You can defend someone living in sin and teaching false teachings by perverting the Scriptures, but that does not make one a believer, but it makes one a disciple of a false teacher. I have done the proper work, but you have a problem because you have openly have endorsed these pseudo-Scriptures. I already said that I do not agree with your deamonominations beliefs, and if you are going to regurgitate the false doctrines that is posted on your deamonominations website, then you would just be wasting your breath, because quoting false teachings will not change my mind. I base my beliefs only on Scripture, and not the false teachings that is the doctrines of men.



    Comment by Lev/Christopher on July 19, 2009 at 7:14pm
    Here is the link to the KJV-Only Group. Let's do some proper work!



    Comment by Lev/Christopher on July 19, 2009 at 6:53pm
    I don't understand how you can make a blanket condemnation of all modern-day translators - can you read the heart of every one of them? How can you possibly know their individual motives? How do you know that some do not possess honesty and integrity? What makes you their personal judge? And which 'ancient' translators, by the same token, are honest, and how do you know? Or is this some propaganda tract for the non-existent 1611 version of the KJV? What of those sections of Scripture the KJV left out but which appear in the NASB and NIV, for example?

    It is a weighty and serious matter to accuse all modern translators of a degree of fraud especially when you are (presumably) not one yourself. I would not tolerate such accusations of members here (since that is lashon hara) and so I feel have to give both the living and dead, who have laboured with love, some benefit of the doubt as to what their heart-motives were. We all agree with the general principles you espouse, of the need to be true to Scripture and not to pervert it, but where on this wide planet is there a 100% faithful translation+ It certainly does not exist in English or in any other language, but most translations are faithful enough (minus some like NWT and JST/IV) to enable those who read them to come to saving truth.

    I wish you would stop beating around the bush and say exactly what you mean - tell us which version you think is the true or truest one so that people can get a handle on you. As it is you come across as someone angrily taking swipes at anyone who does not give carte blanche to your unnamed version but which we all know is the KJV since that's all you ever quote. Why not be honest and start a KJV Group where the issues you hint at can be discussed in the knitty gritty instead of impugning the characters of men and women by shadow boxing? In fact I will do it for you since you are apparently so unwilling to do it for yourself because I feel I have to stand up for the those men and women who, in spite of their imperfections and denominational biases, have given us other versions with which to work with and to inspire us to dig into the Word even more.

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